Apart from this whole bullshit pseudo intellectual debate going about Hinduism in the below thread, the main point is that Nepal will always be a Hindu Nation.
"To seperate Hinduism from Nepal is to kill the Nepali identity" Shiv Sena Nepal
Homeji you just answered your own question. KNOWING THE FACT THAT MONEY CORRUPTS RELIGION, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO TIE THAT CORRUPTED RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION TO GOVERNMENT ? I mean the government is already corrupted as it is, you want to tie religion into it and sink it even further ? Talk about common sense.
Hinduism is an identity ? By saying that you are already saying fug the rest of the religious communities of Nepal. What about the Buddhists ? Or the Christians ? OR the Muslims ? I DO NOT THINK THESE COMMUNITIES WOULD SHARE YOUR SENTIMENT.
When ppl ask you where are you from...what the fug do you say ? I AM FROM NEPAL. END OF THE FUGGING STORY.
Money corrupts everything. Tell me one thing that money doesn't corrupt? You are not tied down to your identity as a Nepali just like you are not tied down to your identity as a Hindu. You can even change your surname. What's the problem?
See, the biggest illusion that people around the world have is that in America, religion is seperate from government. You see, Thomas Jefferson and the other founding fathers in America were very much influenced by communist religion--the belief in equality. His brilliance was in shaping the United States around his religion of equality, and then saying that no other religion could come between his religion and the state. Then, like a prophet, he stated his belief so that it would be everyone else's belief also, "We hold it self-evident that all men are created to be equal....blah blah blah." What he really wanted was that no other religion would come in between his religion of Equality and the State. The entire United States is created with the seed of communism in its heart.
The whole point is that politics by definition is one person trying to impose their standards on another person. Some people may justify the imposition of their standards by couching it intellectual language. Other people may justify the imposition of their standards by couching it in emotional language. Another person may impose their standard on another because of a religious belief. Someone else may impose their standard on you by posing it as a inspiring dream. But the point is, politics, by definition, is where one individual is imposing their standards on others. That is the way that politics is. To think politics is anything else is to be in dellusion.
My solution is simple--> Keep Religion Out of Politics and Governing Nepal. That way ppl don't get an excuse to build religious army like Shiv Sena and start threaten ppl, extort money to support their so called army. At the same time make sure that ppl who are not Hindu feel that they are not excluded in decision making process of Governing Nepal. WE NEED TO PUT NEPAL AND NEPALI FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, IF WE ARE TO PROGRESS AS NATION. THE REST IS JUST HINDERENCE.
Kanchu "Nepal was not bad when it was Hindu Nation." Dalits/untouchable/sudras could not even enter the hindu temple.....dah!!! why???
Hinduism is a stolen Religion from kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa-sabara-naga-huna-saka and converted into Vedic Hinduism and mythology rewritten which has been proven by many scholars.
Homeyji i don't mind renaming Nepal into Islamic Republic of Nepal. What is the problem with you?
Nepal is and always have been a Hindu Nation. It just that the influence of vedic hindu from India has corrupted the true Origin Hindu belief and practices in Nepal. Hinduism was already in existence long before vedic hindusim was written.
Few months ago i read that Indian priest was booted out of pashupathinath temple in Nepal. Now this was a shocking revelation to me that our most revered deity has been under the guardianship of a foreigner for a long time! An outsider accumulates all the wealth offered in cash and valuable kind and sends it off to his country. This must be unacceptable to everybody – religious or atheist, Hindu or non-Hindu. This is one example of Vedic Hinduism influence in Nepal that has hinder our nation towards progress. I understand that dalits, sudras who are so called untouchable are not allowed to enter the Hindu temples in vedic Hinduism. Now that will not happen if we practice Kirat Hinduism.
Therefore we should be glad that Indian priest are booted out of our sacred temples. This is one good thing done by our present government. Hence if Nepal is to follow Kirat Hinduism, it will bring back the glory of the caste less Nepal again. It has been proven by the scholars that during the rule of 7th Kirat King Jitedasti, Lord Gautam Buddha had visited the valley with his several disciples. Under Jitedashi rule, Buddhism flourished though Kirats practiced Saivite Hinduism and Mundhum.
Therefore Nepal will only continue to be Hindu Nation if other religions are also embraced. Homeyji hence this will answer to your call that Nepal will continue to exist as Hindu nation.
oi lalbujakkad tan hindu ra vedic civilization ko pachadi kina pareko bhanne balla bujidai cha. tan kirat hos wa rai/mongol hos bhanne kura ta pusta huncha tara tan jasto befkuf najanido gari jaityata bhadkauna khojdaichas ra afulai superior ho bhanera prove nagar, kasaile ni naherne thread afain post garere active garchas. yestai ho bhane ma THE DEATH OF JEPG bhanera thread rakhunla. dherai janne naho bachha 10class ko archeology ko kura antai gara ra jat pat ko kura banda gar. ma buddhist hoon tara hindu god pani puja huncha. tara nepali buddhist lai tebetan buddhist le aja pakha lagauna lagdna ni ma tyeslai thulo issue mandina pakandhi kina ki dharma ra jat ma des dubaune tan jasta pakhandi sulsule musa jasari chiyare basira huncha.! lal bujjakad.
"the broad minded see the truth in different religions, the narrow minded see only the differences". 99% nepali people are narrow minded. do I have to go any further? if monglian people would have ruled nepal for this long it would be like japan, korea,or china ..where these bloooodi dhoties come from to rule our homeland ? ragat umlincha, haat khukurima pugcha ..tara ke garne .....
Look at the names of the scholars and tell me Shantipriya if you can find Kirats among them. What makes you think i am kirat hos wa rai/mongol hos?? And remember Shantipriya or any one who doubt the scholars. Scholars are not politicians nor are they link to any religious association. Their common purpose is to serve the human race with the Truth.
G.P Singh Dr. S. K. Chatterjee Leonard W. King Rati Bhanu Singh Nahar T. B. Subba Brian Hodgson Colonel GL Rai-Zimmdar H.C. Ray Chowdhary Sir John Hammerton Henry Rudolph Davies Prof. Uthaya Naidu Coburn, Thomas B, Shiv Kumar Tiwari Rabindra Nath Pati, Jagannatha Dash
“I believe that it is better to tell the truth than live in a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant.â€
While
“An ignorant person is one who doesn't know what you have just found out.â€
tero budhhi achi khane cha copy paste kumar JPEG! tero posting tero argument khali anti hindu ra pro kirati cha. Yedi tero tyetro ant cha bhane ho ma kirat ho bhanna ullu kina lukera bhyakguto jasto twar twar garchass.
afu ignorant bhayo bhane sansar ignorant dekhcha. 5 class ko research student.
religion is not a topic to discuss..it'll create hate against the religion u talk about homeyji ! u r a nutcase...religion rakhne ho bhane mann ma rakhnu demag ma hoina! people like u start fire that divide people Nepal ko ke idendity cha ra ??? ruined all coz of people like u u suck 'n nepal sucks coz of people like u
Don't be a religion hater. Be positive. Who programmed you to be brainwashed to have such unfounded negativity towards religion?
Equality is as much a religion as Hinduism. You're not hating on equality are you? Because right now, the religion of equality has caused way more violence and chaos in Nepal than Hindu Nepal experienced. Nepal has been made a mockery because all the INGOs in Kathmandu padding up their own careers and resumes by turning Tharus against Muslims, Muslims against women, in the name of equality etc. We can't let out country be destroyed because a bunch of career "international social workers" need to put the right credentials on their resume. They don't care about Nepal. After they are done with their 2 year term, they will fly to Zimbabwe, Botswana or which ever international NGO job where they are earning in plush dollars.
I don't know if you heard, but the Muslims want a fund so that they can travel to Haj every year (Haj or Mecca is most holy place for Muslims). I suppose the Tharus will want a buffalo fund. And all the ugly women will want a face-lift 'botox' fund. This is getting ridiculous.
So you know what? I was happy with Nepal when it was Hindu, because there was atleast some sanity in my Nepal. What we have now is chaos! And the religion of equality is to blame. If you're going to hate on religions, hate on all religions or none. Don't have a double standard.
Homeji,"Who programmed you to be brainwashed to have such unfounded negativity towards religion? " I ask you the same question Mr. Homeji WHO PROGRAMMED YOU TO BE BRAINWASHED TO HAVE SUCH UNFOUNDED NEGATIVITY TOWARDS OTHERS WHO DON"T SHARE YOUR VEIWS ? Don't be a non religion hater too.
Man what do NGO's have to do with religion ? Its just a lame ass excuse for fanatic people like you to use them as pawns to benefit your own cause. NGO'S ARE THERE TO HELP PEOPLE, TO MAKE NEPALI PEOPLE'S LIVES BETTER. But an oppertunist like you will always try and scrutinize them and use them to benefit your own cause. Now when did the NGO's make Nepali Muslims fight against Tharus, muslims against women ? ha ha ha ha Hasaucha yo manchey ley. Must have pulled that out of ur LAME ASS.
Homeji,"We can't let out country be destroyed because a bunch of career "international social workers" need to put the right credentials on their resume." ha ha ha ha Hasaucha. And you really think UN and other NGO organizations will let these so called social workers use their organizations for advancement of these individual social workers ? EITHER YOU MUST THINK WE ARE REALLY STOOOPID OR YOU ARE ACTING A LIL TOO NAIVE AND ARE USING THEM TO FURTHER YOUR OWN CAUSE.
TALK ABOUT RIDICULOUS he he he JUST LISTEN TO URSELF, ISN'T THAT LUDICROUS ? ha ha ha
ok you were happy when Nepal was a hindu nation, but that does not mean everyone else in Nepal was happy. And yes I hate all forms of organized religion.
Personally, I don't like the idea of a Hindu Nepal. I like the idea of freedom, including the freedom to choose your religion and your beliefs. I don't want to see Nepal descend into a Hindu version of a religiously orthodox Taliban ruled Afghanistan. But at the same time, I don't want to see Nepal descend into a Somalia or a Cuba in the name of people blindly following the notion of equality without using their heads.
But if people are going to abuse the notion of equality to take Nepal into chaos, I, and others like me will not hesitate for a second to promote a Hindu version of Nepal if that is the only way to stop chaos like the kind that Prachanda is doing with the help of human rights organizations eager to promote the notion of equality to the blind masses who don't understand the consequences of his actions.
What an irony reading two different articles. On one hand, Prachanda says that he will not bow down to foreign pressure. On the other hand, Prachanda assures his multi-national foreign donors that he is still very much faithful to them. In other words Prachanda is saying that he will not be influenced to foreign pressure of his multi-national foreign donors. Good thing his followers are communist fanatics. You have to be a pretty hard-core Maoist to believe that someone receiving money from special interest groups is not influenced by them.
HomeyJi brother. First learned to distinguished Hinduism.
The word Hindu viz Hinduism itself did not exist until some 18 th century; it was coined by some British or German scholar. The origins of Hinduism are debated by modern scholars. It is believed to be a mix of numerous traditions and faiths. Elements of Hinduism can be traced back to modern-day Pakistan at around 3000 BC. During the second millennium BC the nomadic Aryan people arrived in northwest India from Persia. They brought religious customs with them and borrowed borrowed religious customs from the native people in India and incorporated into Veda. Hence the term Vedic religion came to exist. At around 800 BC to 600 BC, the still-developing Vedic religion was affected by the rise of Buddhism and Jainism in India. Vedic religion eventually incorporated songs and poems, making it more substantial as a religion. The subsequent arrival of Islam to the region threatened this Vedic religion. Many people responded by reviving original pre-vedic practices. The result was successful as Sakti and Trantric cults were revived again which was losing it grounds through the more influence of vedic teachings. This cults are still practiced by the Kiratas and other hill people in Himalayas regions and it revolve around Saivas and Saktas.
Anyway Hinduism is a flexible format. If you take conduct, '"dharma'"(duty and righteous action), then it may vary from one region to another according to their tradition and caste. If you take belief, 'Mata' (opinion), then there are no bars to it. What is disliked is to declare that one's 'Mata' (belief) is better than others. People with different beliefs are supposed to live together peacefully respecting each other's belief though holding to their own. This is very well illustrated in the Upanishadic injunction, 'Eko Sad, Vipra Bahudha Vadanti' (What exists is one truth, nice people describe it variously).
Without such mutual respect and accommodation people of different tribes with different traditions having different beliefs could not have lived together as they did in history in India. India is one of the countries where people of all religions, jews, christians, muslims, zoroastrians, and the local ones, buddhists, jains, and sikhs, or the aboriginals, have lived together peacefully for centuries. Kindly remember that christianity and islam reached India within one century of their establishment in the Middle-East.
oh my god this guy is again bullshitting here about the origin. son it does not matter how and where hindiusim is originated, what matters is that people today follow this religion, same can be applied to another religion too. some stupid people does not understand and keeps bragging some western scholar about eastern/hindu relgion. son, first your research may be right or wrong- does not matter to the public who follows it.? or you are just trying to show how many books or paragraph you read. Son, there are many people in this forum who might have read and done hell lot of research, but they will not try to " SHOW OFF the way you are doing. If say buddhism is started just yesterday but I follow it, how does is matter to me? I will not like anyone try to denigrate my relgion with some kind of preposterous theory posted by stupid neo learner. Here is my suggestion, if you really want to test your arguments go to conferenece and seminar and learn what others have to say. What you are doing is nothing but a
plagiarism, and most importantly you have not learn to prove your point across, the thread is about "nepal is going to hindu country or not?" now it is already secular, it is already a redundant arguments plus it is not good idea to discuss about "your religion" or "my religion" and "your caste" or "my caste", this is will futher the hatred and disitigration, so your stating that how the relgion started does not make any sense. Many of your threads and arguments implys that you are up for dinigrating some caste/reglion, no? so you must be a racists/castists/ nomatter how much you learned but that will not have any positive impact on the develoment of nepal. GROW UP JPEG ELSE SOMEONE LESE WILL CHANGE YOUR FORMAT IN TO PDF OR PNG.
Homeji,"Personally, I don't like the idea of a Hindu Nepal. I like the idea of freedom, including the freedom to choose your religion and your beliefs. I don't want to see Nepal descend into a Hindu version of a religiously orthodox Taliban ruled Afghanistan. But at the same time, I don't want to see Nepal descend into a Somalia or a Cuba in the name of people blindly following the notion of equality without using their heads. " First of all you are contradicting urself, so you came from a NEPAL WILL ALWAYS BE A HINDU NATION TO ....Religious freedom for all !!! ha ha ha TRust me no Nepali would like to see Nepal turn into neither Afgani Taliban or lawless Somalia.
Homeji,"But if people are going to abuse the notion of equality to take Nepal into chaos, I, and others like me will not hesitate for a second to promote a Hindu version of Nepal if that is the only way to stop chaos like the kind that Prachanda is doing with the help of human rights organizations eager to promote the notion of equality to the blind masses who don't understand the consequences of his actions." Here again you are contradicting urself, you go by saying pplm are going to abuse the notion of equality and propel the nation into chaos. Then you go on saying that at that moment YOU WANT TO PROMOTE HINDUISM ? Now isn't that taking taking advantage of the situation to benefit ur own cause ? HOW ARE YOU ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE PPL YOU ARE SCRUTINIZING ABOUT ? To me you just sound like another opptunist. he he As far as Prachandey hoodwinking the human rights organiztions and promoting his own Commi agenda ? Well we all got tricked into that one didn't we ? That is why Nepali citizens overwhelmingly voted for him, trust him till that video came into light. Most dicktators seize power the same way the Maoist did, I mean that is how the 3rd Reich came into power, that is how Stalin established Communism in Russia.
Dear Kanchu, Kancha i was just summarizing my point. If you want to see my reasons, then look at my other thread "The Origin of Hindu Religion" click here: http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=71141 I have thrown you ample evident from veda scriptures to scholars findings. Now if you have doubt, then you should doubt your own existence. You claim that scholars work are bullshit and vedic text are the true doctrine. Prove me to the point in what way can we take veda text to be the Truth!
jpeg/pdf/png/bitmap- i said enough on the thread you are referring to. hope,oneday you will be wise enough to understand context and relevance of the arguments. Everything does not fit everywhere, you will know when you will go to Grad School.
" a fool tells more than he knows and wise knows more than he tells"
for wise-no need to copy paste, no need to put irrevalent argument.
My intention was to contradict. I didn't make the arguments that I did to be nice. I did it to just show that religious arguments cannot be easily be countered with logic and reasoning. Whether that be religious arguments in favor of 'equality,' the way Prachanda is doing or religious arguments in favor of 'Hinduism' that I was making.
You can think of my writn as a 'vaccination.' I gave out a small painless sample of a much greater and dangerous disease. Few people seem to understand the dangers of 'equality' movement in Nepal.
Equality worked in the United States because there was only one 'thing' that liberals were trying to 'equal': black people. Equality was a comparison between the priviledge of the whites with the blacks. Equality also worked with gender because it was a comparison with men and female. Equality might even work with straights and gays.
But equality will not work in Nepal with multiple ethnicities, because when those multiple ethnicities at the bottom of the wrung start to equal each other, it will turn Nepal into a civil war.
This is the irony of democracy in the modern era. Right now, even in America, the political environment is so polarized between liberals and conservatives. The fact is that if the United States were to drop its constitution and start from scratch, it would probably decend into a civil war far worse than what we saw in Iraq. Right now with the amount of media there is, the notion of 'equality' just produces a lot of envy and violence. If it is true for the United States, what of Nepal?
Kancha since you know a lot than me, then i expect you to help me with this phrase from veda.
Srimad-Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita, states that anyone, including so-called low born men, may take shelter unto the Lotus Feet of Lord Krishna or His devotees. And this can be sanctified by initiation process.
Now here's a list of so-called low born men and addicted to sinful acts who can take shelter unto the Lotus Feet of Lord Krishna, meaning getting salvation, being saved from the Lord.
kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa abhira-sumbha yavanah khasadayah ye 'nye ca papa yad-apasrayasrayah sudhyanti tasmai prabhavisnave namah upon translation is;
Kirata, Huna, Andhra, Pulinda, Pulkasa, Abhira, Sumbha, Yavana, members of the Khasa races and even others addicted to sinful acts can be purified by taking shelter of the devotees of the Lord, due to His being the supreme power. I beg to offer my respectful obeisances unto Him. (Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.4.18)
In the purport of this verse Srila Prabhupada describes the Pulindas as the Greeks, from whom Western civilization has descended, and the Hunas as the Europeans, who later inherited the Greek legacy. The Khasas are the Chinese, or Far-Eastern peoples. The Kiratas are described in the purport as aboriginal peoples from the Kirata province of "old Bharata-varsa." In another place Srila Prabhupada describes Kiratas as synonymous with Nisadas, residents of present-day Africa:
Now you tell me Kanchu why kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa became to be called low born men and sinful?? These sinful, low born men listed are not even of the same race from the people who wrote down the Veda yet they are call by such humiliating and degoratory name. Can you give me one good reason. Kanchu or anyone?
If not i will give you next time....................if you want!
That's why Vedic Hinduism is full of crap! It plagiarize others religions, discrediting the owners. Now isn't that copy, paste and modified. That's what vedic Hinduism is folks! It tried to twist and turn so many facts and distort the truth and rewrite the mythology that they didn't see it coming that the very truth they twisted will come and slap their own face.
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