Wagle gets what he deserves. After all, there should be no distinction between burglary and corruption. Only that the former affects only an individual, where as the latter is on a larger scale.

As far as I know, Govinda Joshi is more corrupt and probably has a fat bank balance than Wagle. Guys help me out here in listing the most corrupt ones that should be brought to justice. Let's focus the time after democracy as we do not even have any clues on what went on during Panchayat system.

So here I go:

1. Govinda Joshi

2. Rabindra nath Sharma

3. Bijaya Gachhadar??

4. Khum Bahadur Khadka

nepaltara, you just posted the above secs before my posting so i missed it. What are you actually trying to imply? Both are crimes and you also claim for the both nature of the crimes to be tried by the same law. I thought you said there were two laws to deal with these two different crimes.

Is it some typos or am I failing here to undestand. And this actually makes me question your point of earlier posting.

i dont understand, why do ppl keep comapring Nepal and America??

Lawyers in Nepal are debating whether Wagle should be thrown into jail or not. Obviously, the issue is not as clear-cut as one would assume.

******

Garibjanata wrote:

"Ashu, We need people like you to save Nepal but who is going to listen you?
You don't have money. You don't have power. You are a Harvard educated fellow, I am sure you are honest and upright but does it matter at all in a place like NEPAL?"


Well, I don't know about that.
Al I know is such sentences make me nervous.

In all honesty, I have never really thought of myself important enough to "save Nepal" or make other people listen to me. I mean, I do what I can, and if people like it, that's fine.

If they don't like it, then, that's also fine . . . and so it goes -- the process of thinking about Nepal and doing work in Nepal, for what it is worth.

For now, I have CHOSEN to live and work in Nepal, and, despite all kinds of poltical problems, I cannot imagine a happier place to be for myself at the moment. It's been
fun getting to know all sorts of people here, asking questions, quietly doing some
(what I hope is) solid work professionally and learning an enormous amount and
all that . . . One advantage of living in Nepal is that you are never too far away -- literaly and metaphorically -- from all the concerns of almost all these Sajha
topics :-(

I have long been a poponent of creating small, small positive changes here and there, and let those changes, over time, add up to bigger changes. But many Nepalis appear to have no patience for that kind of thinking, and, some -- like Baburam -- want radical changes now, even if that means resorting to brutal violence.

Still, all said and done, my attitude is certainly critical but NOT cynical.
I do remain an OPTIMIST when it comes to Nepal.
The country is too young (in terms of population) to be able to turn it around within a generation -- and that's the hope.

And so, Nepal does have this enormous potential to be good and to be well if only
we can get our collective act together .. . and that too going to happen someday.

oohi
ashu

Garibjanta,

Mostly ppl who have great degress, and have VERY HIGHER Education than normal people, , just like to comment, because like everybody says, politics is a dirty game for them ..OF course here and there good wrks goes,(every normal being does something small that helps to change the world, but thats our responsibility its not a Sacrifice) but leading a country is just far OUR OF THERE REACH. when Einestein was asked to be President of Isreal?? he said, "my equation will live with me forever but politics wont", i dont konw y wud he say that, but he did :)

Oz_Guy,

I do not know Rajendra Pandey because of the decree put on me by a Kommunist Pyuthane called Deepak Bista and he supported by leftist Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission. I am in path to destroy the outfit soon. In the past me and my Abo bung mate called Brady took away its fang making legal history as that it used to be a quasi judicial institute like the Nepe CIAA and a law into itself. I am glad that I do not want to contact corrupted Nepalese by the said Bista (Jaisi Bahun of Pyuthan).

Now for Suo Moto that you have requested to me (or simply so cause of my logic):

Here it is.

Penal Code means criminal jurisdiction or jungi faujdari ain and civil code means nijamati ain or civil jurisdiction and tort is part of it. Tort means civil wrong like OJ Simson being tried by the State for murder and only the State can prosecute the alleged like Ghus being a crime. However, only in common law countries like USA, UK and so on civilians like you and me can also sue for damages for murder or injury or any civil wrong. Again, remember that OJ Simson was sued for civil wrong by Goldman and his ex-wife's family and own millions of dollars as punitive damages. There you have it. Now Nepal is not a common law country per judicial administration in contrast to India is a common law nation. Nepal uses ancient Bahun based Hindu law and some Romanic codes that is heavily prescribed per Shree Teen Maharaj Jung Bahadur ka Mulki Ain and later modified in 2020 or 2025 BS by King Mahendra etyadi....I am sorry that I forgot thelegal dates.

As I said, it is called judicial discretion or up to the judges to allow bail to the said Wagle pending appeal or instant to penitiary (jail) detention. may be he was asked to provide surety of large amount of cash and guranteed by his other mates and so on and so forth. Who knows as the CIAA itself is less then transparent and full of bajes. If it was Australia the legal procedure wuld be fully transparent and accountable. That is the difference between a democratic nation and Nepal a basket case that will never ever progress even under a maha OPTIMistic and Myopic Harvard turn coat self styled nidar pleader MAHA LEADER GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA way.

de bene esse

Ceterus Paribus or of all things being equal then for Ozland it is okay and not for Nepal with various scenario testing and planning per harms way.

What does that mean?

Well, no assumptions and in real terms in a common law country there is separation of power, What is that? Well, it is that judiciary, executive and parliaments are all separate and cannont intervene in the functions of others in USA or UK and so on and so forth. parliament makes the law and if its power is ultrivires or in excess then the Sumpreme Court can declare it unconstitutional and also ruled out the executive. However, parliament is the most powerful of the institutions under Westminster styled democracy. The chief legal officer is the Attorney-General and he is an elected member of the parliament. He is assited by Director of Public Prosecutions (to try only crime) and Solicitor-General in other matters such as civil jurisdiction. All fine.

However, Nepalese Costitution is a bastard between common law and Hidu law and Napoleonic or Roman codes. It has no separation of powers. In that I mean Attorney-General looks after all civil and criminal jurisdictions. He chooses and pleases as he sees fit in all things Nepalese law (Ghus is rife).

There you have it that Nepe law has no check and balances in terms of comparing and contrasting per this short analysis.

I now rest my case mutandis mutandis.

888 I smell something burning here.
It is no question if Wagle be procecuted or hanged, it should be used to deter others from commiting the same crime.
Mind you, an individual alone is not guilty it is the surrounding and their hype of pomp show at cost of tax payers money that is the cause.
Hence small changes as an individual and organizations will definitely accumulate over a long run, thanks for your pious intention a..hu.

Ladies and Gentleman,
Good Morning,

I am also following the CIAA and its activities for last four yrs. Present activities of CIAA is one of the example that what legally empowered institute can do, if it intends to do. Whatever CIAA does is within the limit of our present legal system (and within the system there is, I believe a grey area, where ppl play their dirty trick to get some favor.)

Now, I have some curiosity, some of them already raised by fellow sajhaites in their posts above.

1. What happened to the newspapers/TV, radio, why they are not giving details of Wagles case and Courts decision? This news is positive news for Nepali ppl. Why journalist love to give details of negative news only. Is debate being carried out, in Nepal, about pros and cons of this decision?
2. What happens to so called "nagarik samaj" why arnt they digging in this case, so that a public pressure can be generated against the "soft decisioný by the court within the grey area?

3. Why the written details of "faisala" is not being made public by the court in such a publicly interested case. When the different institutions of Nepal will start to respect general publics "need to know" right?
4. I think there is a "kanun" in Nepal whereby the decisions, if not considered secret by the state, must be sent for archive where everyone can have access after following some "procedures".

5. What was the basis of 2.3 million?

Well, probably most of the ppl will ask the same question? And, asking question is not a big deal.

I agree with ashu that Nepal does have enormous potential. Nepalese are hard working ppl. We just have a problem of Potentially Immature/Morally bankrupt/irresponsible ppl at higher level.

We survived the two giant (southern and northern neighbor), we are trying to be competitive with them.
Small market next to two big markets. Nearest harbor approx 1000 km. Small productive land are few of our problems. These economic hurdles can be overcome by creative planning, attractive tax/excise/custom system and producing cheap energy. But, for this, first of all we need publicly responsible government lead by gal/guy who has "guts" to do something.

Epoch of the Epitome and Epoch of an Economist par Masters "but for" lack of strategies ala bing-fa and lack of Executive level management vision based on walk the talk and talk the walk.

What does that mean?

Only talkfest and fantasies and fung shuies...No.

I mean incremental changes are possible only one knows how to conduct audits of the consumer/costomers needs and wants.

The man is an eco Ebaje or ubaje only chasing lunatic utopian ideas based on Harvard yankee standardisation due processes. However, nepe AAMA does not need MCHarvard ebaje incremental change managementmp progress. What nepal needs is ebaje innovative customised drastic creative Shumpeterian destruction minus ebajes or ubajes.

One can contribute SMARTly aND i NEED revist the whole thing again.

Oohiji can contribute his way and he has an unique place providing he knows his capabilities and core competencies and leverage it to value creation that is pull based via the meeds and wants of the customer/consumer.

Otherwise, the learned foolishn talkfest will make him another sucked victim of NEPAL PANA hard basket case.

It was written and it shall be done CETERUS PARIBUS.

I think Nepes are the laziest people based on their culturally ubaje based paternalistic utopian/fatalistic society. That is the truth and more baje u or e ttoes come out the more questions I have for them and make their tupis maha thado(das is blessing in disguise for their next bungy jumping for maha hara hara ganga mantra). No.

Somebody here in Sajha did repeatedly said if you can't convience, confuse them.

Getting confused in this early morning blue

Dear Oz guy,
Rajendra Pandey used to be here in Adelaide worked for Motoralla (spl?).
But he is in Sydney. If you did not get in touch with him, please let me I will pass his e-mail address and phone number.

Good luck

Deepak

How dare this KHURSANI MAILA going to repoter's CLub...

In the aftermath of Wagle verdict



- The conviction of Chiranjivi Wagle by the Special Court was hailed by all. The ordinary law-abiding Nepali citizens, who were losing trust, hope and expectation from the Commission for the Investigation of Abuse of Authority (CIAA) and the Special Court, have finally something to cheer about.
Corruption should be discouraged and people like Wagle should be made untouchables in our society so that others learn and see the ultimate fate of the corrupt. Like everyone, I was also pleased to read the news of the conviction in all the dailies but was again shocked to see Wagle delivering a speech at the Reporterýs Club. I do not understand what the Reporterýs club was trying to achieve by highlighting Wagle in the media.

Wagle was seated along with the former Attorney General of Nepal. Wagle had almost two years to plead his innocence at the CIAA and at the Special Court. Why did Reporters Club invite him and send a wrong message to the people that the verdict of the Special Court was doubtful?

Responsibility of the media should be to investigate and publish the activities of the corrupt so that the governmental bodies concerned can take necessary action and punish the culprit. I will not be surprised if one of these days Charles Shobhraj is invited to the Reportersý Club and asked to lecture on "how to be an international criminal." Please do refrain from causing confusions in the minds of the common people.

Dorji Tsering Sherpa

Galfutar, Kathmandu

Nepal Tara 888.....

I don't know whats your problem with (kommunist )pyuthane!!!!?? I am not clear with your thread whether u've got a problem with (Kommunist) Pyuthane...or Rajendra Bista(Jaisi Bahun). And keep in mind all pyuthane are not kommunist and all commmunists are not pyuthane.................Okay If u have a problem with RB ....deal with him not including' pyuthane' name....coz.....As a pyuthane.....It hurts us....n we don't wanna listen ..somb'dy's............crap .......!!!!....'Man hani ' pani ta garnu bhayena ni......

Ram ram!!!!!

tyo bahun bhanera racism pani inflict nagarum ta sathi...aanch natra ma pani dekhai dinchu ho nepali power.

Khoi Politics bare ma nabolum bhaneko, k garne sathi haru le "pyuthani" no nau nilyechan ani aba ta bolnai paryo. Aba afu pani pariyo "pyuthani" yeso afno pani maan ka yek dui sabda bolnai paryo ni ta hoina?

Well i do agree some hardcore Communist are from Phythan... Like, Bam Dev Gautam (UML), Mohan Bikram Singh (Masaal), Navaraj Subedi (Maasal), Mohan Baidya aka kiran (Maoist) so on so forth, but this doesnot mean all the "pyuthani" are Communist. I think we should not generalize the whole mass as Communist. Although, Phyuthan do elect Communist in the general election. RPP and KONGRESS are either in the second or third on the list but Masaal are the popular and now since the Maoist have evolved, their influence has taken the city all round.

Mukti of KOGRESS is a good leader, atleast not corrupt, Khemraj (Assistant Mahamantri of RPP and Giri (central committee member of RPP) are also well know in Phythan as Clean sheat unlike Joshi and Wagle.

Now ppl calling all the pyuthane as communist does bother me also, thats really cheap, and also i understand the freedom of speech, but that really doesnot mean EVERYBODY has right to generalize ppl. It really hurts the heart of "pyuthane" to be blamed as "COMMUNIST" or even sometimes labeled as born "Maoist".

Does this apply that all the Damauli baasees are "GHUSIA" cuz Joshi is. But i dont think so, damauli is a nice place, PLACE of BYAS, but i would not be generalizing the whole damauli baasees. so goes with WAGLE brothers..............

Lets argue but not take everything to a personal level..

Long LIVE PYUTHAN and PYUTHANI's ....

Sworgadwari ki JAI.....


Cheers
NepaliThito.

typo... Kiran Baidya (Badaal)*****

yee.....

Abu nepaliThito le ta ....kummunist ko gaf di halyo....

Abu bhar bhandekhi.....!!!....aaahum!!!! ke re..... so so....

Anyway .....Pyuthane ko jamat pani sajha ma tannai rahechha ni.....khoi....sajha ko election ma ta ...hamro bista bro lai...... vote dinu parla jasto chha...

Thito ta tala ....jhimruk tira bata aako hola hai....mata ....Lung bata....

Sorgwadurai mata ki jai!!!!

Whyhappy, teso bhaye mitra lung khola ko pariyo. Afuta Bagdula ko pariyo...

Have been to LUUNG couple of times, but i still recall my trip to POOJA wow what a wonderful work, sala, khutaa vari fokai foka ayera kya babaal ni.. tara it was awesome....

Swargadwari mai ki JAI!


cheers
NepaliThito

F**k that SOB joshi and NepalTara.