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Posted on 02-15-06 1:52
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The government has introduced a new legal provision that bars students from going abroad for higher education without getting permission from the Ministry of Education. read more in http://news.kanunisanchar.com
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Posted on 02-15-06 6:08
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Posted on 02-15-06 6:22
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Posted on 02-15-06 7:16
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Posted on 02-15-06 7:37
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New law to study abroad Kathmandu, February 16- The government has introduced a new legal provision that bars students from going abroad for higher education without getting permission from the Ministry of Education. Issuing an Ordinance to amend some Acts regarding the education sector, the government has prohibited people from going abroad for higher education unless they get a no-objection-letter from the Ministry. “No Nepali citizen can go abroad for higher education unless the Ministry of Education and Sports issues permission,” the Ordinance states. The government issued the Ordinance amending the Scholarship Act 1964, the Education Act 1970, the Technical Education and Vocational Training Centre Act 1988, the Sports Development Act 1991 and the Nepal Scout Act 1993 with some amendments in the areas. The Ordinance also gives chances for temporary teachers to be permanent. “The Ministry will issue no objection letter if it sees grounds to provide it only after a thorough investigation,” states the amended provision of the Scholarship Act. The King put royal seal to the Ordinance on January 30 and it was made public on Monday. “Without the ‘no objection letter’, the government will not provide exchange facilities of foreign currency for the persons who want to go abroad for higher education,” states the Clause 4(3) of the Act. The Ministry will recommend the authorities concerned to provide the facility only after anyone receives ‘no objection letter’. However, the provision would not be applied for the civil servants and the Civil Service Act 1992 would govern the civil servants in this regard. Another provision in the Ordinance states that if a person does not return to the country or does not contact the Ministry upon the completion of his or her foreign degree with scholarship, he or she may face fine equal to the amount he spent during the study or the amount received as donation for the study.
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Posted on 02-15-06 7:57
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Bearing in mind that Nepal Government has no record of how many Nepalese are abroad and how many students go abroad every year, I fully support this provision. If the people in the ministry do not act 'stupid' and issue the letters in time, this thing does not add hashle to the students. Moreover, students who go abroad have plenty of time before they take off. So why not let your country know where are you going and for what purpose, and how much nepali money you are exporting. But, if this ordinance is meant to bar students from going abroad at all, then its serious. Shout at me, if I deserve.
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Posted on 02-15-06 8:03
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I think this rule was there since long time. When I came to US in fall 2003 I had to go to education ministry, get my bachelor transcript verified, then they issued letter addressed to NRB to give me money. This no-objection letter concept was introduced before to distinguist private funded and embassy sponsored scholarship student. May be Gyane is afraid of nepalese studend getting more knowledge outside and rejecting monarchy. Rana regime's limitation on education during their 104 year rule was to make sure people do not get educated and oppose them.
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Posted on 02-15-06 8:08
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On second thought last paragraph of news article seems to be directed towards civil servants who come aboard for study on government money. Then by hook or crook get international citizenship and never return back to nepal. Thus ripping off cash strapped poor government. If i am not wrong 4-5 months back there was a thread about a professon in Canada who ripped off government in that way. In this case ordiance is good. But I do not understand why should a student who came in private fund be obliged to return back to nepal. If you are not using government fund then they do not own us. Might be the news article is not clear or may be ordiance itself is vague.
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Posted on 02-15-06 8:40
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. Rastra Bank is running out of dollars... Meaningless Royal tour in Africa Toilet paper election cost Curfew cost Internet and Mobile phone revenue loss Security and tear gas cost No incoming toursit No more dollars so what to do? Gyane´s new ideas to stop brain drain? After all they become anti Monarchy anyway.. He does not want to see anymore of this demonstration in front of white and UN. Probably you can go and study if you become Mandale and write peace journalism from USA. .
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Posted on 02-15-06 8:47
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There is nothing to worry about. This rule has been there for quite a while now. My friends went through the same process in 2002 and myself in 2003. Just need to go to the Ministry and submit a copy of transcripts and I-20. They will issue the "No objection" letter in 2 days. One needs a copy of visa for "exchange permission".
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Posted on 02-15-06 8:53
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The option of 'No objection letter' is in existence since long time. I know many students going out for study used to get this letter assuming that it is required by immigration/port of entry of foreign country. However, it was not mandatory to get this letter to leave Nepal. If they make it mandatory, it will just be an extra burden to the students financially as well as timely.
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Posted on 02-15-06 8:53
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Yeah.. this has been around.. I knew it was there when I left Nepal in 2000, I had to get the No Objection Letter.. I guess people didnt know that it existed!?...
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Bandhu
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Posted on 02-15-06 10:15
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If the law was already there in 2000 and 2002, why a new law. Didn't the government know that the law is already there. Or did the old law expire, whatever.......
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RamJhigini
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Posted on 02-15-06 10:22
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Bandu Ji le thik bhannnu bhayo. why would the govt. put it under New Law if it was already in existence or may be the website where it is published is completely bogus. Haven't seen in kantipur or so...
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Posted on 02-16-06 7:48
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The more signatures a Nepali citizen is required to collect from government officers, the more chances there are of corruption taking place. This is true regardless of whether on'e talking about registering a company in Nepal or clearing customs or getting this sort of 'no objection" letters. In this case, demand for government officers' signatures will be high. The number of students who wish to go abroad is increasing day by day. But the supply of signatures is limited by the fixed number of MoE & Sports officials who can issue such letters on any given day. Enter, the buying and selling of signatures! Those who have government officers as their cousins will, as always, have no problem. They'll get their signatures -- one way or the other. But those who are "without source force" and hail from places like Baitadi, Jumla and [your favorite remote, poor place here], will find the process of navigating this bureaucratic maze needlessly difficult, frustrating and, well, responsive to a little bribery. *** Adult Nepalis may want to study A or B or C in X, Y, Z countries. It's up to them to decide how they want to spend their money and time studying whatever it is that they want to study. In this, there's no role for the Ministry of Education to come in and then decide what Nepalis can study and what they cannot study outside of Nepal. Besides, there is no way that the MoE, which cannot even lend support to Lok Sewa Aayog to verify the validity of educational credentials submitted by the aspirants of Nepal's civil service jaagir, will ever be able to do any investigation on any one re: whether or not to issue "no objection" letter. As for the money, those who are determined to go abroad, will simply pay higher interest rates to borrow money from informal markets, and that would be that. Those who will be hurt the most by this sort of inane law are: The poor amd the unconnected, for this sort of law makes the playing field uneven. As for "if a person does not return to the country or does not contact the Ministry upon the completion of his or her foreign degree with scholarship, he or she may face fine equal to the amount he spent during the study or the amount received as donation for the study." There's no chance of this ever being implemented because policing such "bad behaviour" on anyone's part would be very, very difficult. This is like expecting the Nepali Embassy in DC to keep track of Nepalis in the US. Easy to say, impossible to do. oohi ashu
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Posted on 02-16-06 8:41
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I am not surprised. I knew that this was coming. During the times of Panchayat, the Government also barred people from studying abroad with bureaucracy. I know an uncle who wanted to go study in an Eastern European country about 17-18 years ago. But the Panchayat Government would not give him permission and foreign exchange to study computer science abroad. So he had to lie that he is going to study in India. He went to India first and then only he could proceed to the Eastern European country. Since he went through the back door, he could not get foreign exchange from the Government to pay for his school. So he used to go to Hong Kong or Bangkok, buy electronics, and sell them in the Eastern European country to pay for his school. There are many stories like these. So I feel lucky that I did not have to go through the same process to come to the US since the democratic governments really eased the process for people to study abroad. And a lot of young people do not realize what our older generation had to go through and how fortunate we were under the Democratic Government in spite of the corruptions and abuses. One of the tools the autocratic government uses to control public discontent is by making sure that people do not get too smart and conscious. I think Government has taken a series of steps to accomplish this. 1) Nationalistic Uniform Education Policy: During Panchayat, Government used the education policy to brainwash school kids that Nepalese are peaceful and simple people who love their King. One of the first steps the new Government took was to change the curriculum for school kids and started putting pictures of the Royal family. 2) News on FM radio: FM radios are independent and have wide access to people because they are affordable and you do not need to be educated to get news from FM. This is why the Government has not scrutinized TV and newspaper as much as FM. The autocratic Government wants to limit news to the masses, which I think as one of the great accomplishment under the democratic governments. 4) Restricting NGO: KG's Government does not want NGO's making masses educated about social justice and so on. So they brought this new law to control the NGO's 3) Limiting people going abroad for studies: This is another tool the government is using to control young people. So you royalists in Sajha who are studying in the US, KG is tightening its grip even around your neck. While the conniving KG tries to trick the world with the election drama and talks of democracy, he is making subtle moves under the radar screen to tighten his control with an iron fist. KG is here for a long haul. So all of you there, be careful of this monster and do not get swayed by his sweet talks.
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Posted on 02-16-06 9:45
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New law ? "if a person does not return to the country or does not contact the Ministry upon the completion of his or her foreign degree with scholarship, he or she may face fine equal to the amount he spent during the study or the amount received as donation for the study." It's more like an ethical integrity of the person who gets scholarships to study abroad. And those scholarships should have been admionistered/processed by Education Minsitry. Such provisions were already there in the past except the "fine" part. This is a non-issue.
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Posted on 02-16-06 1:35
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"Another provision in the Ordinance states that if a person does not return to the country or does not contact the Ministry upon the completion of his or her foreign degree with scholarship, he or she may face fine equal to the amount he spent during the study or the amount received as donation for the study" I think this provision is very good. What you guys think?
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Posted on 02-16-06 4:40
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That's the way it should be. If you can get scholarship on your own, then you don't even need to let Govt know. But if the scholarships are given to Nepal Govt., then above law is correct.
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Posted on 02-16-06 6:45
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First don't mistake this for the previous 'no objection letter'. The earlier one was a purely formal document issued on the basis of academic transcripts. The new one is a part of a katro to wrap Gyane when he knocks the door to hell. 'The Ministry will issue no objection letter if it sees grounds to provide it only after a thorough investigation.' Gyan Bahadur wants to investigate grounds (should be financial because academic ground shouldn't be a problem for the embassies' to scrutinise). Meaning only the children of those who have raped the national treasury will be eligible to go abroad for studies. Those who are promising and yet don't find a place amongsts a handful of scholarships won't be able to go abroad with rin dhan sahu ko byaj. Go Gyane go to hell, it is calling you.
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Posted on 02-16-06 6:58
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I believe it is intended to those who studied in Nepal in scholarship and tried to go aboard for further studies without fulfilling the service required by the scholarship. The main target are the doctors who studied in Nepal in scholarship and now fleding to US by taking USMLE exam. Many hospitals even in Kathmandu are now short of doctors, let alone the hospitals in rural areas. The government wants to stop these people who have responsibility to work for 2/3 years after completing their studies. It is basically targeted to those who got government scholarship in the past and want to pursue their studies further without completing their required year of service as civil servants, I guess. After all, this gonna be a reason for subba and kharsab to get "ghus." Good for them, after all you will get your work done from Nepal's civil servants. You know how to get it done, right??
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