How can one love another?

कान थापेर म पनि सुनेर बसेको छु है नेपे दाजु!!!!
लु लु म्याट्रिक्स त्यो सुकुल ओछ्याम त आउ कथा सुन्नलाइ, अनि अरुलाइ नि बोलाम न!!!!
त्यो मोरा इण्डि, हर्के, रिदम, रुइना, दादा, सिरे, भउते .....कत्ती नाम लेखनु, साझाबासी जम्मैलाइ निम्तो है!!!!......:)
:::::श्री गणेशाय नम:::::
लु शुरु गरम दाजु!!!!

Dharma kai kuro garne bhaya ta, sukul haina Chakati po chaiyo. La matrix bazar bata chakati kinera liyera aau ta. Nepe da, k jaat kho katha bhanna lagnu bho kunni?? Buddha le ta khali naitikta ka bare kuro gariya haina ra?

hmmmmm.....Love.....Love between veer and zaara ...between lolita and shekhar in the movie "parineeta"..:D...amazingly portrayed the "essence of love"...

आत्मकथा त रिटायर्ड भएपछि आत्मजीवनी लेख्ने आँट आएछ भने मात्र (भनाईको तात्पर्य, लुकाउने कुरा कम र देखाउने कुरा ज्यादा भयो भने मात्र ) सुनाम्छु भनेको हुँ । त्यसैले सुकुल नओछ्याम साथी हो ।

पिरिम सम्बन्धी यसो एक दुई वटा कुरा मात्र गर्न चाहेको हुँ, खास गरेर मेरो अद्यावधिक धारणा । (म्याउटिस बुईनीको शंशयवादी कुरा सुनेर नि)

त्यसैले ठिङ्ग उभिइरै मेरो कुरा भन्छु ।

कुरा के भने, लामो समयसम्म म शंशयवादी (skeptic) थिएँ रुमानी पिरिमको हकमा, अझ नास्तिक नै भने पनि हुन्छ । पिरिम नै त नभनुम, पिरिमको प्रचलित, लोकप्रिय, सांस्कृतिक, साहित्यिक अवधारणासंग हो । यी लोकप्रिय अवधारणाहरुको चर्चा गरिरहन आवश्यक छैन, यो थ्रेडका विभिन्न पोस्टिङहरुलाई सर्सर्ती पढे पुग्छ ।

मेरो अवलोकनको वास्तविक जीवनका प्रेम र प्रेमका लोकप्रिय सिद्धान्त बिचको गहिरो खाडल (gap) नै मेरो शंशयको जन्मदाता थियो । (मलाई लाग्छ, म्याउटिस बुइनीको मामला पनि यस्तै हो ) ।

अधिकांशत: पिपलको बोटमुनि बसेर लामो ध्यान गरे पछि र केहि स्वाध्यायनमा माथा खियाए पछि मलाई प्राप्त भएको प्रेम-बोध संक्षिप्तमा यस्तो छ :

(१) रागात्मक प्रेम (passionate love) आधारभौतिक (distinct, fundamental) वा एकसरो (homogenous) भावना होईन, बरु अन्य विभिन्न आधारभौतिक भावनाहरुको मिश्रण (blend) हो । मनोवैज्ञानिकहरु यसको पुष्टि गर्छन्, त्यसैले व्याख्या नगरिराखम ।

(२) हरेक प्रेम-सम्बन्ध (relationaship) मा चारवटा स्वतन्त्र (separate) सम्बन्ध-सुत्र (bonds, channel) हुन्छन् । यी चार सुत्रले चार प्रेम-लोकको निर्माण गर्दछन् ।

यी चार प्रेम-लोकको अस्तित्वको अज्ञानता नै प्रेम-दु:खको (शंशय, मतिभ्रम, असन्तुष्टी आदिका कारणले उत्पन्न हुने दु:ख) कारण हो । यसैले प्रेमको चार सम्बन्ध-सुत्र र चार लोकबारे ज्ञान हुनु अतिआवश्यक छ ।

के के हुन् त यी चार च्यानल/लोकहरु ?

यी हुन्:

(i) A को B प्रतिको मौलिक (original) प्रेम
(ii) B को A प्रतिको मौलिक (original) प्रेम
(iii) A को B प्रतिको जबाफी (reciprocal) प्रेम
(iv) B को A प्रतिको जबाफी (reciprocal) प्रेम

यी केहि स्वतन्त्र र केहि अन्योन्याश्रित चार च्यानल/लोकहरुको सार्वभौमिक सत्तालाई स्वीकार र यथोचित सम्मान गर्न सक्नेले प्रेममा कहिले दु:ख भोगनु पर्दैन ।

प्रेमम् शरणं गच्छामि !

Nepe

Useless fool. Look at his name.bbc my foot. Look at his question. stupid moron.

यी केहि स्वतन्त्र र केहि अन्योन्याश्रित चार च्यानल/लोकहरुको सार्वभौमिक सत्तालाई स्वीकार र यथोचित सम्मान गर्न सक्नेले प्रेममा कहिले दु:ख भोगनु पर्दैन ।
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Common Nepeda, what is that love without some pain...,tyo ta very boaring huncha..sometimes some pain adds the needed spice to it hehe.....

Pain in love make it spicy re.....:S
कस्तो खाले pain???
Missing every second..Thats painful
Thinking all the time(aani janch ma aalu khanu)...More painful...:)
Waiting deliberately to meet...Thats too much painful...:D
yestai yestai ho??....*CONFUSED*
Nirman~*

Hehe yep, thats called the sweet pain 'NO PAIN NO GAIN'....:D

Is "No pain no gain"="More pain More gain"????....:D

प्रेमको परिभाषा खोज्नु आकाश बाँध्न खोज्नु हो।
- दादा_गिरी

तिमी जुन प्रेम गर्छेऊ त्यो संसारको सबभन्दा नयाँ र छुट्टै खालको प्रेम हुनेछ।(के बिचार छ? म्याउटिस बुइनी!)
- दादा_गिरी

Common Nepeda, what is that love without some pain...,tyo ta very boaring huncha..sometimes some pain adds the needed spice to it hehe.....

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Afu lai katti pain bhaisakiyo, timi haru lai k tahah!! Aba chaini move nai garna parla jasto lagiyo.aajkaal ta spice spice bhanda bhandai, chicken ma kati spices halchu tahah nai paudaina. spicy bhayara affai lai khana garho. jhatta au hai jhatta, Garho bho kya!!!

तिमी जुन प्रेम गर्छेऊ त्यो संसारको सबभन्दा नयाँ र छुट्टै खालको प्रेम हुनेछ।(के बिचार छ? म्याउटिस बुइनी!)
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दादा how true, couldnt agree more, unique is always appreicated...;)

kasto Prem ho testo, World kho sab bhanda New Premmin style re!! mo ni siikum hai testo, hami ni ole-school premmin tarika chodera naya hisab le garum na ho!!

आग्रा र गाग्राको कुरा जस्तो भयो है साथी हो ।

प्रेममा लीन, निर्लिप्त, मग्न भए पछिको जुन मीठो पिडा हुन्छ, त्यस दु:खको कुरै गरेको होईन मैले । त्यसलाई त दु:ख नाम पनि दिन्नँ म ।

मैले त प्रेम र प्रेमीमाथि शंका उपशंका गरेर, तीनलाई बुझ्न नसकेर उत्पन्न हुने दु:खको कुरा ग-या हो । अर्को शब्दमा, Frustrated प्रेमीहरुको दु:खको कुरा ग-या हो ।

पूर्ण प्रेमको पिडा र अर्ध प्रेमको दु:ख नितान्त बेग्लै phenomena हुन् ।

माथि उल्लेख गरिएका चौसुत्रात्मक प्रेमज्ञानबाट अर्धप्रेमको दु:ख कसरी निवारण हुन्छ त ? त्यसबारे चर्चा गर्न चाहन्थें ।

अब सबैजना पूर्णप्रेमको पिडाको चर्चामा मस्त छन् । म लागें एकान्त चौतारो तिर, ध्यान गर्न ।

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दादाको कथन प्रेमको अद्वितियवाद हो र प्रेमको यौगिक स्वरुप (compound form) संग (माथि चर्चा गरिएको) सम्मिलेय (compatible) छ ।

Nepe

Nepeda you sound very sweet writing about love rather than writing about Republism. :d

Original Quote
If you love someone, Set her free... If she comes back, she's yours, If she doesn't, she never was....
The new versions.....
Pessimist:
^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free ... If she ever comes back, she's yours, If she doesn't, as expected, she never was
Optimist:
^^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free ... Don't worry, she will come back.
Suspicious:
^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free ... If she ever comes back, ask her why.
Impatient:
^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free ... If she doesn't come back within some time forget her.
Patient:
^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free ... If she doesn't come back, continue to wait until she comes back ...
Playful:
^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free ... * If she comes back, and if you love her still, set her free again, repeat *
C++ Programmer:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if(you-love(m_she)) m_she.free() if(m_she == NULL) m_she= new CShe;
Animal-Rights Activist:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free, In fact, all living creatures deserve to be free!!
Lawyers:
^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free, Clause 1a of Paragraph 13a-1 in the Second Amendment of the Matrimonial Freedom Act clearly states that...
Bill Gates :
^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free, If she comes back, I think we can charge her for re-installation fees but tell her that she's also going to get an upgrade.
Biologist :
^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free, She'll evolve.
Statisticians : (Apte)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free, If she loves you, the probability of her coming back is high If she doesn't, your relation was improbable anyway.
Schwarzenegger's fans:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone, Set her free, SHE'LL BE BACK!
Over possessive person
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone don't set her free.
HR specialist
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone set her free by Offering her VRS and other benefits Then outsource her.
MBA
^^^
If you love someone set her free instantaneously and look for others simultaneously
Psychologist
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone set her free If she comes back her super ego is dominant If she doesn't come back her id is supreme If she doesn't go, she must be crazy.
Somnabulist
^^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone set her free If she comes back it's a nightmare If she doesn't, you must be dreaming.
ERP functional expert
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone set her free If she comes back, map her into your system If she doesn't, carry out a gap-fit analysis
Finance expert
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone set her free If she comes back, its time to look for fresh loans If she doesn't, write her off as an asset gone bad.
Marketing Specialist
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you love someone set her free If she comes back she has brand loyalty If she doesn't, reposition the brand in new market

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We Met upon the Internet

We met upon the Internet,
A friendship electronic,
Expressed alone in words and thoughts,
Inevitably platonic.
We live too far apart for us
To mingle in the flesh,
But much more close than family,
Our hearts and feelings mesh.

Your dear, dear self reveals itself
Without a voice or face.
We have our own sweet home within
Our precious cyberspace.
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>Nepeda you sound very sweet writing about love rather than writing about Republism. :d

परन्तु, भगिनी (sis) प्रिय, यो ज्येष्ठ भ्राता (bro) ले गणतन्त्र र प्रेमतन्त्रलाई उहि र उस्तै कठोर, निर्मम र वस्तुवादी (objective) चक्षुले हेरेको छ त । कसरी स्वादमा त्यत्रो फरक प-यो होला ?

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>If you love someone, Set her free...
>If she comes back, she's yours,
>If she doesn't, she never was....

प्रेमको लोकप्रिय किन्तु अपूर्ण अवधारणाहरुको यो एउटा राम्रो उदाहरण हो । यो अवधारणा "मौलिक" उपखण्डको प्रेमभूमिमा सिमित छ र यसले "जवाफी" उपखण्डको प्रेमभूमिलाई चिन्न ईन्कार गर्छ ।

प्रेमीको हरेक क्रियाले "जवाफी प्रेम" लाई तत्काल, प्रत्यक्ष र बलियोसंग र "मौलिक प्रेम" लाई कालान्तरमा, अप्रत्यक्ष र कम बलपूर्वक प्रभाव पार्दछ भन्ने कुराप्रति माथिको कथन पूर्ण अनभिज्ञ रहेको छ ।

प्रेमीले आफ्नो प्रेमीद्वारा आफुलाई छोड्न सक्नु र छोड्न नसक्नुलाई अलग अलग अर्थमा बुझ्दछन् भन्ने कुराको ज्ञान छैन यसमा, यसैले अपूर्ण छ यो ।

परन्तु, Nepalipoonte ले पोस्ट गरेका ठट्यौलीहरुमा भने कतै कतै यो ज्ञान निहित छ र समग्रमा, प्रेमको यौगिक स्वरुपको पुष्टि भएको छ- ठट्टा नै सहि, प्रतिक्रियाको विविधताद्वारा ।

Just came something in my mind when I was thinking about the question of "setting your beloved free".

When it is not about testing the beloved, it can be profoundly testing yourself. A poem from Shiva Gautam, my dear friend and occasional visitor of Sajha at least one time in the past.

वाह वाह , वाह वाह !!!

If you don't even know how to love another, you are scum of the Earth. It's a feeling that should come naturally to you. If you lack it, go seek a doctor. You have learned to post a question on sajha and you haven't learned to love another yet? Loving another person is the first thing you should have learned after learning to feed on your mothers milk.

Strange but the question is so stupid.