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deshbhaktanepali
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Posted on 05-17-09 10:48
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In a recent radio show organized by BBC Nepali Sewa, transmitted today (May 17, 2009), Dr. Babu Ram Bhattrai sait he "has a dream of making Nepal atleast like USA or Europe in next 15/ 20 years.". Shouldn't we work to fulfil his dream? But do we trust his words anymore? BTW, there is speculation that LTTE's Chairman, Prabhakaran has committed suicide. They are trying to confirm his body doing DNA testing.
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Peter Bagdas
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:17
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Sidster – You mentioned about Maoist victims being vindictive, given your diatribe against the army, what does that make you, especially, now that we know that your gripe against them goes back to your papa’s thrashing in 2046? I am not trying to personalise the issue, but you need to seriously calm down on this one and try to be little less vindictive and more objective. I also detect a certain amount of nostalgia for the monarchy in what you have stated, in particular, going back to your initial support for that couhon, Gyane. Yes, the Indians used a lot of things against Nepal, but there can be no doubt that if they did get rid of the monarchy, that’s probably one of the better outcomes. Now let’s get to the point. Barring individual cases of malfeasance, the men and women of the security forces can sleep soundly at night having fought these Maoist terrorists and prevented their outright takeover of Nepal. Notwithstanding the lack of clear strategy at the macro-political level, shortcomings of command and logistics, including communications, the failure to deploy adequate air power in a timely manner and the poor quality of field intelligence and its analysis, they fought splendidly in the most difficult of terrains. They need not apologise to anyone on this score, especially, factoring in the limitations imposed on them at the operational level by virtue of the shelter afforded to these terrorists from across the border to the south. Their efforts truly merit appreciation no matter the many, intense and the repeated assaults they have been subjected to from some quarters, which have sought to vilify and castigate these brave and dedicated men and women as terrorists and their opponents, the Maoists, as the heroes. In contrast, the Maoist terrorists know that sooner or later, their time of reckoning will come. They have no one but themselves to blame for banking on terrorism as their strategy. With this they fought the wrong war and the outcome for them is certain, annihilation. The world has moved on from giving any leeway to terrorists. Now there can be no second chances. It’s a question of when, not whether they will be finished off. It’s too late for your chum, Baburam – he’s going to get it both ways. For those who are no longer are prepared to submit to the dictates of these terrorists and live the rest of their lives in subservience to their warped ideology, the willingness, freedom and the ability to fight back is a necessary condition of self-defence, which, in turn, will assist to promote, preserve and nurture a way of life that values plurality and individual freedoms over tyranny. Apparently, you disagree.
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:48
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nepal army are murderers!!! and terrorists Example no 1-Nepal army organizing blood donation program
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:50
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nepal army are groups of hooligans and corrupt institute!!! example no 2- Nepal Army in development
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:52
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Nepal army involved in destroying Bridges!!! Example no 3-
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:53
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Nepal army spreading terror in the villages exaple no 4
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:55
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nepal army in diinishing womens rights exaple no-5
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:57
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nepal army no to old and disabled example no-6
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:59
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Nepal army destroying future of Nepal exaple no 7
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 3:00
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nepal ary for killing and torture not for welfare exaple no 8
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 3:03
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nepal army not showing commitment to the future example 9
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sidster
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Posted on 05-31-09 3:08
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Peter, I can agree with everything you have said about Maoists party and i care less about what people decide for Maoist party as i have decided to honor the rule of democracy be content with what people select to lead the country, but i do not agree with what you have to say about NA. I had already heard those excuses for that corrupt, inefficient, Master and Slave cultured, backward, inept, and law disobeying NA.Just because i do not agree with Maoist ideologies of torture and murder it will not force me to label another equally bad institution a good one. I would also like to see "what goes comes around" theory applied to Baburam for his directions on tortures and murders to civilians. Lets hope that Nepal gets a finance minister who is more efficient and productive than Baburam before it comes to him. Sid
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 3:18
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finally to all the blood sucking hypocrites who does not support rule of law ....ever committing nepal army and who supports terrorist and their ideologies
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sidster
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Posted on 05-31-09 3:26
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Raju, I saw YCL pictures of the same context you have posted above. Bunch of YCL and PLA members building roads, schools, digging wells, routing rivers to the village for drinking water which are good attempts but it still doesnt compensate all other crimes like murder, torture, harrassment, and rapes. Sid
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Peter Bagdas
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Posted on 05-31-09 3:47
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Sidster - Calling a spade, a spade, sounds like straight-talking to me. That’s what I am about. Maoists are terrorists, Baburam is a terrorist and there is full stop after that. You are the one insisting on adding a whole lot of bull after that – that’s what really stinks. I am not particularly bothered about how you choose to see me, “a dumbo”, “a pseudo”, “a soothsayer”, “a bimbo” or anything else. This is not about me; it’s about everyone’s right to resist terrorism and to annihilate this monster wherever it raises its ugly head. Equally, it matters not what you are, a PsyOps officer with the NA, Manushi Yami’s lover or Khaptad Baba’s cousin thrice-removed. The only issue where your stance has any bearing is when it comes to the question of whether you support terrorism as a strategy as the Maoists have chosen to do. If you don’t, and I suspect that that is the case, then the only differences we are likely to have is about the means and the timing as to their usage when it comes to fighting against terrorism. Without rehearsing all that has been repeated above, I happen to think that this is the right time to hit these Maoist terrorists from all sides as the key conditions that proved inimical to their destruction have now been removed or substantially negated (e.g. Gayne’s departure, change in the Indian coalition politics, etc). What I don’t want to see happening, although you have every right to do, is you simply wasting all your time bitching about the army because they beat up your pops. You have done a good job in terms of saying the army is not without imperfections and I would second that and go one further to say that there needs to be substantive reform to bring this institution into the 21st century in spirit. But we simply cannot wait for this to be completed before taking steps to defend ourselves against this continuing terrorist menace. There are some tough choices to be made and the work will not be easy. In tandem, I hope that you and I can agree that no cost-benefit-analysis done by any sane person can ever produce a result that makes it alright to give into terrorism – in our case, to Maoist terrorism, with or without Baburam as its leading functionary.
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sidster
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Posted on 05-31-09 4:52
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Peter, I would not choose to see you as , “a dumbo”, “a pseudo”, “a soothsayer”, “a bimbo” or anything else.
I can sense that you are informed and at least you have some of your facts together, so when you present your argument it has some weight in it.
Your guess on story on my pops is not fully correct. It may appear that my views are influenced by that event but the truth is not that. The truth is, that event certainly helped me read and find out more about NA and why things occur certain ways in Nepal. The search helped me find out more about what NA was about and what culture they have in them and also made me become politically aware.
You are right...NA needs an overhaul...a total change in its leadership who has gotten there with the petticoat washing culture. They need to bring professionalism in Army. Strong actions should be taken against Army members who are involved in crimes like rape and murders. Those army officers who think/practice that the lower class officers are their own properties should be put on probation. And Army should stay out of politics.
About Baburam...lets hope that Nepal will get more productive and efficient ministers like Baburam who would not have a taint of terrorism in their forehead and would outperform Baburam's work so that we can call the new guy the best finance minister for Nepal to date.
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Peter Bagdas
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Posted on 05-31-09 5:04
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Sidster - The bottom line here is this: the army should be reformed; the Maoist terrorists (or other terrorists) eliminated – that includes terrorist No. 2 (or is it No. 3 now), Baburam; & a future built based on the principles, practices and goals of a functioning liberal democracy. Agreed?
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sidster
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Posted on 05-31-09 5:41
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I can agree with reforming army, and building a future based on principles, practices and the goals of a functioning liberal democracy with the minimum requirement of Minimum Work Ethics expected from the leaders. Maoists should be fully disarmed and the ones who want to go back to the path of Violence with arms should be dealt with by National Army be it capturing or eliminating them. It is not possible to entirely eliminate the Maoists as 35% of people of Nepal appear to be Maoists or their supporters but the Militias who want to go back to the previous path should be eliminated or captured. Sid
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Peter Bagdas
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Posted on 05-31-09 7:51
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Sidster - I couldn’t agree with you more on holding our “netas” accountable and dealing firmly with those Maoists that wish to continue down the path of terrorism. So far they have got away with much due to the weaknesses of the opposition – the buffoon Gyane being a case in point. As with any bully, they’ll back down if you show sufficient resolve to take the fight to them and win. That’s what has been sorely lacking in Nepal and there may be some room for optimism due to the changes in the scenario. For the rest that don’t listen, they can look forward to hell. And for Baburam, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t - now that Gayne is not around to save his neck this time. Honestly, what a wasted life!
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Posted on 05-31-09 8:12
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Yeah.. Baburam Bhatatatatatatata-Rai is CHOR.. Insane mad man.. his brain is a screwed poka of organic matters which are rotton. Baburam deserves Hisila Yemi.. ha ha..
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Posted on 07-29-09 11:49
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काठमाडौं । गत साता बिहान नयाँबानेश्वरबाट माओवादी नेता डा. बाबुराम भट्टराई सहितको एक टोली तीनवटा अलग-अलग गाडीमा गोर्खा जिल्लातर्फ लाग्यो । गोर्खा क्षेत्र नं. २ बाट नेपालभरिमै सबैभन्दा बढी भोट ल्याएर चुनाव जितेका डा. भट्टराईको एउटा नयाँ खालको बानी रहेछ, प्रत्येक महिना आफ्नो गृहजिल्ला जाने र मतदाता एवं जनतासित घुलमिल गर्ने । चुनाव जितेपछि उत्तरी गोर्खाका एकाधबाहेक सबै गाविसमा पुगिसकेका रहेछन् । घुम्दै जाँदा गोर्खाको च्याङ्लीमा भने उनी शनिबार १४ महिनापछि पुगेका थिए । आफूलाई भोट हालेर जिताउने जनतालाई एकपटक पनि फर्केर नहेर्ने नेताहरूका लागि डा. भट्टराई एकजना नयाँ उदाहरण रहेछन् । गोर्खामा उनलाई जनताले आँगनमा गाग्री र लोहोटामा पानी राखेर स्वागत गरे । एकाबिहानै गोर्खाको च्याङ्लीमा ०५२ साल फागुन २ गते जनयुद्धको प्रारम्भ भएको प्रथम कारबाहीस्थलमा डा. भट्टराईले भाषण गरे । उनले सो स्थलमा जनयुद्धको स्मारक बनाउन चाहेको बताए । आफूले जनयुद्धका क्रममा च्याङ्लीमा बैंक कब्जा गरेर ऋणी किसानलाई धनीपुर्जा बाँडेको र तमसुकहरू जलाएको स्मरण गर्दै आफूहरू सरकारमा आएपछि त्यस्ता गरिब किसानको ऋण मिनाहा गरेर बोलेको कुरा पुर्याएको उनले बताए । माओवादी सरकारले ३० हजारभन्दा कम ऋण लिने किसानको पूर्णरूपमा सावाँ-ब्याज मिनाहा गरिदिएको र एक लाखभन्दा बढी ऋण लिनेको ब्याज मिनाहा गरिदिएको डा. भट्टराईले बताए । ऋण मिनाहा गर्दा सरकारले बैंकलाई १० अर्ब तिर्नुपर्नेमा आफ्नै पालामा पाँच अर्ब चुक्ता गरिसकेको पनि उनले किसानलाई बताए । कार्यक्रममा माओवादीका केन्द्रीय नेता हितराज पाण्डे -उत्तम) ले च्याङ्लीको बंैक कब्जा कसरी गरिएको थियो भन्ने कथा सुनाएका थिए । एकताकेन्द्रबाट माओवादीमा प्रवेश गरेका केन्द्रीय सदस्य एवं पूर्व विद्यार्थी नेता प्रकाश पोखरेल पनि कार्यक्रममा थिए । जनयुद्धको ऐतिहासिक स्थलको कार्यक्रम सकेर डा. भट्टराईले बिरुवा-गुठीमा आयोजित किसानसँगको अन्तरक्रिया कार्यक्रममा भाग लिएका थिए । उक्त कार्यक्रममा प्रौढ किसान शारदा लुईंटेलले बुँदागत रूपमा किसानका १० वटा समस्या डा. भट्टराईलाई सुनाएका थिए । लुईंटेलको प्रश्न थियो, पाँचवटा टाहार भएको त्यस क्षेत्रमा सिंचाइको व्यवस्था कसरी गर्ने ? कृषि कलेज चाहिएको छ, कसरी ल्याउने ? छेपाटार-पालुङ मोटरबाटो कालोपत्रे कसरी गर्ने ? पालुङटारलाई नगरपालिका कसरी बनाउने ? किसानका लागि बजार व्यवस्थापन कसरी गर्ने ? गरा सुधार कार्यक्रम कसरी गर्ने ? वन तस्करी कसरी रोक्ने ? खानेपानीको समस्या कसरी हल गर्ने ? दूधको बजार व्यवस्थापन कसरी गर्ने अनि टाहारहरू जोड्ने पुल कसरी र कहिले बनाउने ? कार्यक्रममा गोर्खाका अर्का सभासद् ज्ञानेन्द्र कुमाल पनि सँगै थिए । डा. बाबुराम भट्टराईले फटाफट किसानहरूका प्रश्नको जवाफ दिए- बजार व्यवस्थापनका लागि गाउँ-गाउँमा सहकारी आवश्यक छ । गरा सम्याउनेभन्दा सुर्कासुर्कीमा फलफूल, जंगल आदि लगाउनु र टाहारमा खेती गर्नु राम्रो हुन्छ । दूधको बजारका लागि दूध पाउडर फ्याक्ट्री खोल्नुपर्छ । सिंचाइका लागि चेपे दरौंदीबाट नहर ल्याउने, बिजुलीबाट मस्र्याङ्दीको पानी तान्ने आदि गर्न सकिन्छ । उनले त्यस क्षेत्रको सिंचाइ एवं विद्युत् विकासको सम्भाव्यता अध्ययनका लागि आफू अर्थमन्त्री हुँदा दुई करोड छुट्याइएको जानकारी आफ्ना मतदातालाई दिए । डा. भट्टराईले किसान क्रान्ति एवं किसानको समस्याबारे केही प्रश्न उठाउन लायक अभिव्यक्ति पनि दिए । उनको तर्क के थियो भने एकीकृत माओवादीको पहिलो जोड उत्पादनका साधनमा किसानको पहुँच पुर्याउने, जसको जोत उसको पोत लागू गर्ने, क्रान्तिकारी भूमिसुधार लागू गर्ने र जमिनको पुनर्वितरण गर्ने कार्यमा रहने । उत्पादकत्वको वृद्धि, सिंचाइ, बजार व्यवस्थापन आदिलाई आफ्नो पार्टीले दोस्रो प्राथमिकतामा पारेको भट्टराईले बताए । तर, उनले पहिलो प्राथमिकताभित्रका विषयलाई त्यस क्षेत्रमा कसरी कार्यान्वयन गर्ने भन्नेबारेचाहिं केही बताएनन् र खाली दोस्रो प्राथमिकताका कुरा जस्तै, सिंचाइ, बजार, सहकारी आदिका विषयमा मात्रै मन्तव्य दिए । शनिबार डा. बाबुरामले मन्तव्य दिएको च्याङ्ली गाविसको जनसंख्या करिब आठ हजार पाँच सय रहेको गाविस सचिव आनन्दकुमार श्रेष्ठ बताउँछन् । यस गाविसमा ५२ प्रतिशत कुमाल जातिको बसोवास छ । डा. बाबुरामले मन्तव्यमा भन्दै थिए, 'यहाँका टारी खेत निश्चित वर्गका हातमा छ, किसानहरू भूमिहीन छन्, त्यसैले जसको जोत उसको पोत लागू हुनुपर्छ । तर, गाविस सचिवका अनुसार पहिले-पहिले बन्दीपुरका नेवार एवं स्थानीय क्षेत्री-बाहुनका हातमा रहेका टारी खेतको स्वामित्वमा यतिवेला परिवर्तन भइसकेको छ । सचिव श्रेष्ठले त के दाबी गरे भने च्याङ्ली गाविसमा मोहीहरू नै छैनन् । पत्रकारले तथ्यांक हेर्न खोज्दा माओवादीले गाविस जलाएका कारण भिलेज प्रोफाइल वा कुनै पनि प्रमाण त्यहाँ रहेनछन् । छेउछाउका अन्य गाविसमा पनि माओवादीले कागजात जलाएका रहेछन् । डा. बाबुरामले भनेझैं कृषि क्रान्तिलाई जोड दिन, भूमिको पुनर्वितरण गर्न वा जसको जोत उसको पोत लागू गर्न जसरी उत्पादनका साधनमाथिको स्वामित्वबारे अध्ययन गर्नुपर्ने हुन्छ । तर, त्यसतर्फ माओवादीको कुनै ध्यान गएको पाइएन । बरु माओवादी नेताहरू 'विकासे मानसिकतामा मात्रै केन्दि्रत हुन थालेको डा. भट्टराईकै मन्तव्यले स्पष्ट पारेको छ । गोर्खाको कार्यक्रम सकेर डा. भट्टराईसहितको टोली तनहुँको दुलेगौंडामा आयोजित जनसभामा सहभागी भयो । बीच बाटोमा राजेन्द्रराज पन्त नामका किसानले तीन सय २२ वटा गाई पालेका रहेछन् । डा. भट्टराईले त्यसको निरीक्षण गरे, एक गिलास दही खाए । अनि, मेरो पनि यसैगरी व्यावसायिक रूपमा खेतीपाती वा पशुपालन गर्नुपर्छ भन्ने मान्यता रहेको धारणा राखे । पन्तले मासिक ७०/८० हजार रूपैयाँ कमाउँदारहेछन् । तनहुँमा डा. भट्टराईले करिब तीन सय ५० को नाम पढिएकोमा तीन सयजतिलाई टीका लगाएर माओवादीमा प्रवेश गराए । माओवादीमा आउनेमा बढीजसो एमालेका थिए । कार्यक्रममा अर्का नेता सुरेश आलेमगर पनि थिए । डा. भट्टराईको भाषण सुनेपछि मञ्चपछाडि एकजना वृद्ध भन्दै थिए- 'यो मान्छे सय वर्ष बाँच्नुपर्छ ' हुन पनि डा. भट्टराईको जनताप्रतिको लगाव र अर्जुनदृष्टि देख्दा लाग्थ्यो, उनी देशका लागि सय वर्षभन्दा बढी बाँच्नुपर्छ । अन्य पिएचडी गरेका बुद्धिजीवीहरू यतिवेला अमेरिका-युरोपतिर बसेर आफ्नो पेटका लागि सोचिरहेका छन् । यस्तो वेलामा डा. भट्टराई गाउँ-गाउँमा जनताका बीचमा जानु, नेपालीले गर्व गर्नैपर्ने विषय थियो । सम्भवतः: यही कुराबाट प्रभावित भएर होला, च्याङ्लीबाट र्फकने क्रममा पत्रकार रेवती सापकोटाले भने- 'म स्यालोट गर्छु यार भट्टराईलाई ! सबै नेताले यसैगरी जनतातिर र्फकने हो भने देश स्वर्ग बन्ने थियो ' बाटामा एक प्रहरी अफिसरले डा. भट्टराईको गाडी रोके । पत्रकारको टोलीसमेत होटलमा पस्यो र चिसो खाने कार्यक्रम सुरु भयो । ती प्रहरी हाकिमले आफ्नो १२/१३ वर्षको छोरोलाई डा. भट्टराईसित हात मिलाउन लगाए र भने- 'हेर्, उहाँ नेपालको बोर्डफस्र्ट हो । तैले पनि त्यसैगरी पढ्नुपर्छ । त्यही भएर तँलाई हात मिलाउन ल्याएको हुँ, बुझिस् ?' विचरा हाकिम साबले छोरो मात्रै होइन, श्रीमती पनि ल्याएका रहेछन् । श्रीमती गाडीमै थिइन् । आखिर सेतो प्लेटको सरकारी गाडीमा श्रीमती र छोराछोरी हालेर हिंड्नु प्रहरी र सेनाका अधिकारीहरूको पञ्चायतकालदेखिकै रोग पनि त हो । जनआस्था साप्ताहिक, ३१ असार २०६६ |
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