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Pradeep Giri, Nepali Congress ( Democratic ) Prominent Leader, once told in NTV Dishnerdesh Program, " I know it sounds a bit rude to say but if you we look history different courtiers in the world, the sacrifice we have made is not that significant. What we are seeing right now is Sati Devi burning in fire and I am very hopeful, Sati Devi will come in form Parbati and give birth of Kumar". His analogy was with Maoist Movement. This is how intellectual political leader analyse Maoist movement even he does not totally agree with what Maoist are doing.

You do not target the people whom you are fighting for? How do you judge who is intelectual? By academic qualification or by success in the resepective field, how?

Pradeep Giris commnet just proved the back stabbing nature of the poltical parties.

Turbulence,

You know damn well and so does all that most of the people in maoists movement have some sort of grunge. The poverty, class difference or human rights. These were exploited by maoists leaders very well. These maoists leaders like Baburam, Prachanda, Badal and others are real terrorists. If you have not forgotten, Baburam's children are in Londaon. He also took his parents to visit Mankamana during the peace talks. Talk about HYpocracy.

Do not play the he said she said game. Look at the facts. Facts speak louder than words.

Ya and you know other thing. Before maoists movement, inspite of wide spread corruption, Nepal was opening up for international trade. There were businesses coming in. Once you are in international trade, you have to maintain class. This was slowly improving the living standard of whole Nepal which unfortunately did not substantiate because of the terrorsits ya you heard me terrorists Maoists.

SO down with Maoism.

Maosits might be doing all these for a good cause but their ultimate aim is not democratic. The means and ways they are adopting to achieve their goal proves that they are terrorists. There is no point to argue on such subject.

Highfly,
You sounds so traumatised. My sympathy to you if you have personally suffered with the Maoist Movement but I disagree with your logic. Maoist are NOT terrorist in any sense. They are fighting for 95% of Nepalis. You have to analyse the whole spirit of Movement, not with isolated event. There is no doubt they have done some big mistakes over the last decades, we certainly have to criticize and warn them for that.

But overall, they are the one who will make a new Nepal. We are not very far to repeat the history ROMANIA. Just wait and see.

I agree with you Turbulence. Oh yes I do. Maoists will surely make New Nepal as if they have not already made it. They will make it a living hell.
The whole country has been traumatized by these terrorists. May be not you. May be it is because you belong to one of them. What are you talking about? Hasn?t killing of more than 12000 people, living everyday in fear and uncertainty been traumatizing? Oh I forgot, you are a Maoists, not a forced one but the one who willingly chose to kill and terrorize people, and mainly innocent ones.
You think they are fighting for 95% of the Nepalese people? Where?s your logic here? They are killing the people from the same percentile while those that fall in your 5% are still free and alive. And you know why, you sure know damn well, why all the corrupt politicians are still alive, and free. It because they are the ones providing money to the terrorists. When these terrorists extort money, who do you think they first go to? They go to these corrupt politicians. And that is why they are alive, because if Maoists kill them, who will provide food and shelter to them? So, no these Terrorists are not revolutionaries, because the very people they are fighting for , they kill them, the people they are fighting against, they use them. So you brainwashed terrorist supporter, don?t talk about logic here.

Turbulence,

I personally think you are crazy. What makes you say that they are fighting for 95% for Nepalese? Did you conduct that survey? And why in the world are you trying to justify Maoist?s crime here. What is your goal, son? Are you benefiting from the loss of lives of thousands of Nepalese? Maoists are terrorists and you cannot change the fact. They will die one day like street dogs by their own people. But by then they would have destroyed Nepal into nothing but a battle ground where the human blood would run through the rivers, crows would be snatching reaming of the human bodies..... Is that what we are trying to justify here?

Turbulence,

Ya I am traumatized by maoists. If I go to KTM I am locked inside KTM. I cannot move freely inside my own country. I see fellow Nepalese extorted, executed, tortured, raped by the maoists terrorists.

I see the Maoists terrorsits as the main reason for the colapse of democracy and subsequent rise of the king.

You see Nepal to be as Romania. I see it heading towards becoming a Afghanisthan or COmbodia in this way.

YA Who the hell is UK except for it being a faithful Doggiedog of US. YOu know that UK is the one who sold nukes tech to Israel. Right. Talk about hypocracy.

132569,
I'm glad that we could concur on something so obvious. After all, that is what they call the juntas like Maoist -- a terrorist.

Each coterie (Maoist and Army) must have used media propaganda to some extent; but I have no doubt that Maoists are bigger culprit among the two.

One thing I must make clear is, I do not intend to knock any poster or any self righteous posters. But when you see enough of something, without any well defined objective, but is solely riding on an ideology which can be summarized as -- "this is right because it is right," -- among other things.

Then there are those who believe that -- "it is the only thing that is right and that is why this is the only thing I see, believe, and act on and if you do not agree with me ? god help you."

Then,

Sometimes you got to say, "Hey! Helloooooooooooooooooo!!!! I think god gave all of us something called common sense; shall we use it?" Catch my drift?

Not pointing at any ONE particular person -- regarding people who try to subdue the heinous crime, what can you tell them? People can superfluously show their open-mindedness where we need to pay respect to the departed souls, and close their mind where they need to be more receptive.

I mean, cutting genitals, mutilating, planting bomb in the stomach, etc, I can just wish if people can not mourn the loss of someone's life, can they at least stop degrading their death? Enough said.

132569, I hope I managed to express myself.

La hai ta,
IndisGuise:)

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Highfly, I had to cut my trip short. Only made half of it. Was kinda not feelin well.
Anything interesting in here? :)

Turbulence,

If you read your statement you posted after my call - stating maoist are anything but terrorists. You would have to admit that you helped the claim made by many in here.
I was actually surprised with your answer - then again I realized, indeed one can only defend the inhumans for so long.

Please read you last line - "Maoist has not bombed cinema halls, or public places. If the make mistakes, they apology open with public."

Most other posters have effectively expressed the rebuttles. Mine would not be much different from theirs.

Turbulence - You know who and what they are, don't you? Common now.

Anyways, I leave that for your inner self to decide. I rest my case.

IndisGuise:)

IndisGuise,

I will answer your questions later. But, if you even know ABC of political science, you should understand what Maoist are doing in Nepal is not terrorism. They are the one who will liberate Nepalese from Centuries of feudalism and corrupt culture. They are revolutionaries.

Come on, even United Nations has recognized it as a political movement (!) And it wants mediate for dialogue between present government and Maoist. Do you think the UN will recognize a terrorist organization? Use come sense guys!

Your opinion is so biased, try to see things to with different prospective guys. And use decent languages, it just a coward who insult others from behind the curtain.

Will write more later.

Turbulence,
I would like to know your definition of 'Terrorist.'

Turbulence, I would post my rebuttle in due time (herau kahile huncha)

But for now, could you please elaborate the indecent language I used ?
When did I insult you? Or how you drew your cosiderable A-Z knowledge in political science and termed me a coward.

Beats me.

Now oh brave one! could you please elaborate on this one? Thank you.

IndisGuise:)

Definition of Terrorism in True Nepali context.

(1) Person or party who will bribe, do illegal commission, organize crimes and corruption are major Terrorists.

(2) Person or party who will fight or do mutiny for their rights, freedom, equality and future for all. Those people are truly Revolutionaries or Patriots?

(3) Fighting, Battle, Civil war, Moral, ethical killing, Revolution are not belong to Terrorism. This is belonging to a process of struggle or changes.

Conclusion: You all decide King, Girija, Surya Bahadur Thapa, Deuba, Nepali Political parties and Leaders, Maoist who belong to which title ? Revolutionaries, Patriots or Terrorist?

This is terrorism !

Maoists are not terrorists but revolutionary forces. In battle, one or two things may go wrong but the king's army have done more harm to ordinary people and all than Maoists who are fighting for mere 'people's rights' with less sophisticated machines and 'underground difficulties'.

Maoist To Release The Prisoner's of War In Appropriate Time And Process

Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)

Central Committee

Press Statement
This press statement has been issued to clarify party policy in connection with human right, and development and construction.

1. Our party is a revolutionary party struggling to establish a real democracy of the Nepalese people. Publicizing our conviction towards the main spirit of the Geneva Treaty in relation to human rights we have been emphasizing to pursue it ever since the people?s war was initiated under the leadership of our party. A series of conduct that we have been keeping up with respectful and humanly behaviour towards the prisoners of war and releasing them in a process has justified the said conviction in practice. In the context of some of the unexpected and anti-policy incidents that occur from our cadres occasionally in the course of war, along with public self-criticism, we have been pursuing the process of action upon the offenders and we would like to clarify that our policy has been to apply it more firmly.

2. The reality that the ?Royal? army of the feudal palace in Nepal has been unlawfully disappearing in thousands, inhumanly killing people?s sons and daughters along with brutal torture, raping women and carrying out an awful chain of loot, beat and ablaze in the villages of poor peasants is not hidden from anybody. Also the fact that the adventure of crushing the whole country with the grinding stone of autocracy by seizing all the fundamental and sovereign rights of citizens, after the feudal royal coup of the last February 1, 2005, is clear. In this backdrop, welcoming publicly the decision taken to appoint a high commission by the United Nations to follow up and protect the human rights in Nepal, our determination of helping them up to our capability has already unfolded. We also would like to clarify through this statement that our party policy has been to allow the aforesaid commission of the United Nations to travel to any part of the country influenced by the conflict, to study and inspect the sensitive spot of incident, to visit the prisoners under our control and to help carry out discussion and interaction with different units of our party according to necessity. This policy of our party is also being applied in the case of the International Red Cross Organizations.

3. It is known to all that a base camp of ?Royal? army in Kalikot District had recently undergone a daring attack by the People?s Liberation Army and that camp was captured successfully. In this context, we would like to clarify that the propaganda of the ?Royal? government that 40 of the captured royal soldiers were killed in cold-blood is totally imaginary, false and conspiratorial. If the People?s Liberation Army had shot at them after capturing, it is clear that there would raise no question of taking 52 royal soldiers in our detention. We would also like to clarify that the royal soldiers in our detention are being treated respectfully and they will be released by an appropriate process and time. Also, we would like to heartily appeal the entire human right organizations to raise voice on the unsighted air attack that the royal army carrying out upon the remote villages and innocent and unarmed people to hide their defeat and cowardice.

4. Some inclarities and regional unevenness have been remaining in our policy on the UNDP and different NGOs and INGOs in relation to construction and development. Definitely, our party policy has been to provide help to the efforts of development by the United Nations. Recently, party has issued a statement to implement and make it implement firmly and evenly all across the country and party is confident to get a positive result out of it. So long as different NGOs and INGOs are concerned, party decision has been to work and help them work by maintaining coordination and agreement with regional and district level parties and people?s governments. If any problem arises in this regard, the policy of resolving them by having discussions between our party and the central bodies of the related organizations and institutions has also been clarified.

Date: August 10, 2005

Prachanda

Chairman

CPN (Maoist)



People's Liberation Army Captured RNA's Base Camp

159 Royal Army Died, Heavy amount of Weapons and Ammunitions Seized

Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)

People?s Liberation Army, Nepal

Western Division
Press Statement
Struggling against extra-ordinary complexities compliant with the law of revolution, the Nepalese People?s War, by entering into the strategic offensive, is advancing victoriously to a height of the first plan. The People?s Liberation Army illuminated by the light of MLM and Prachanda Path is attaining military superiority over the white army equipped with imperialist war-technology and training.

In this course, we proclaim with proud that Western Division of the People?s Liberation Army, by starting assault at 17:40 on August 7, 2005 upon the base camp of the white army at Pili in Kalikot, has attained a decent victory at 4:00 in the next morning. People?s Liberation Army has captured highly explosive materials and important war equipments including an 81 mm Barrel with 150 bombs; one GPMG barrel with 5,000 ammunitions; 20 Barrels of LMG with 12,000 ammunitions; 70 barrels of INSAS Rifle with 30,000 ammunitions; 80 barrels of SLR with 21,000 ammunitions; 2 barrels of SMG with 3,000 ammunitions; 2 barrels of Browning Pistol with 2,000 ammunitions; 2 barrels of 2? mortar with 200 bombs etc. Out of 250 of the so-called security personnels, 159 have been annihilated and more than 50 are captured as the prisoners of war.

On the side of the People?s Liberation Army, 26 fighters including Battalion Commissar comrade Lokesh (Sharad Avasthi) have been martyred and some are wounded. The hard effort of the PLA equipped with high morale, sense of sacrifice and the ideology of Prachanda path, and the role of the supreme commander Prachanda who guided and inspired by this ideology have had an important role to achieve this victory. The well wishes of anti-despotic political forces too had inspired for this triumph. This victory is also the victory against imperialism, feudalism and non-proletarian trends.

We offer heartily tribute to those heroic martyrs who sacrificed their invaluable lives for this important victory. Also, we express heartily condolence to the agonized family members and comrades fighting in arms with a wishing that, may it inspire to grasp the sacrificing culture of transforming epoch by the blood of history. We heartily wish for the fast improvement of health of the wounded comrades. We express heartily congratulations and thanks to the commissars, commanders of different levels, including Division deputy commander comrade Bibidh, who played an important role while preparing this plan of action and its implementation, and fighters, local party and masses from the base area.

Finally, let the revolutionaries grasp the fact that acquiring victory through losses is the law of war! The final victory is definite.

August 8, 2005

With revolutionary greetings!

Prabhakar

Commander

Western Division

People?s Liberation Army, Nepal

CPN (Maoist)

Kusum_baba,

After killing, mutuliating, burning soldiers alive, this is just a PR tactics. Often, Maos have denied thier deeds and later accepted it. They are the lizards who changes their color.

Turbulence,
The pic you posted is also a terrorism. I do not deny that.

Here are news in nepalnews. They have no t stopped their terrorist activities.

"Maoists abduct 50 civilians in Rolpa

Armed Maoist insurgents have recently abducted 50 persons, including 21 women, in Pang and Sirpa VDCs of mid western Rolpa district in the last few days, reports said.

According to reports quoting locals, villagers are kept at the evacuated police post in Sirpa VDC. The villagers have said that their situation is no worse than that of prisoners, reports said. However, the Maoists interpreted their discontent as ?their misunderstanding of the ongoing revolution,? reports said.

Meanwhile, 450 local youths have been forced to flee from the villages following Maoist '1 house 1 Militia' policy." nepalnews.com

Anyone living in Nepal (except in KTM) will tell you if they are terrorists or revolutionaries. They are a mix of both. The bandhas and nakabandhi, life has become miserable, but still life goes on.

They have killed people, no doubts, but does anyone know why they killed them? I don't remember any incident where they have killed anyone without any reasons except for civillians during crossfire.

Killing people is a crime and terrorism, they have their reasons. I guess they do not have prision to punish their criminals, so they eliminate them.

What I hate the most about Maoists is that they force the parents of army or policeman out of the villages, just because their sons are in either police or army. That's not revolutionary.

Who is NOT terrorist then? Gyane? hahahahahahahaha

This is an e-mail message that has been making the rounds. It's worth a read because it provides some interesting angles to the question of terrorism in Nepal, in the backdrop of the Kalikot incident.

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- Raj Thapa

What happened in Pilli was a human rights disaster. The atrocities committed by the Maoists have been displayed for all to see.

Not that there was any question to begin with, but it will be interesting to see how Keith Bloomfield (or Sushil Pyakurel) can continue to lobby and deny the ?terrorist? label on the Maoists.

Which definition of ?terrorism? do the Maoists fail now? Are they still ?insurgents?? Does the UK still consider them to be any different than their own home-grown terrorists? What does one call a group of people who castrate and gouge out the eyes of surrendered opponents ? combatants?

What does Amnesty International have to say about this? Does Human Rights Watch still think the RNA is the biggest problem in Nepal? Does the International Crisis Group think that bringing barbarians into the political fold will jump start democracy? What happened to impartiality? Just because these lobby groups know they cannot grab headlines by criticizing the Maoists (like they do the government) does not mean they should not criticize abuses on all sides.

As for Mr. Ian Martin, when the cause of death is gun shot wounds to the head (and footage is shown on national television) an autopsy is only a formality. What? Does the UN?s top HR representative think that every time a Maoist fires his weapon, the bullet goes straight to an RNA soldier?s head? Is this Mr. Martin?s expert opinion?

This tragedy is a timely reminder to all eager party leaders who suffer from shortsightedness. They should pay close attention to the mutilated bodies of the soldiers who were murdered. The King may be bad for democracy (and the politicians? habits of corruption) but if this flirting with the Maoists continues, the corpses on NTV may just as well be the future of the political leaders.

The military wing of the Maoists are (and have been for some time) out of control of their political wing. There is little doubt about this. What else can explain such brutality at a time when the Maoist leadership is desperately trying to boost its international image?

The sub-human nature of the Maoists aside, there is a larger lesson here ? the leadership of the RNA itself has failed the army.

Pranab Mukherjee?s claim of the RNA?s inefficiencies are not hearsay. The post-encounter descriptions of the massacre of surrendered POWs points to the nature of the state?s enemies. The negligence of the RNA?s top brass is evidence of the immediate need for a court of inquiry.

There are several facts of this tragedy that make one question the RNA?s judgment. First, what were so many new RNA recruits (and ?pipas?) doing in the Maoist heartland when intelligence indicated a coming attack? Can 5,000 people gather in a single location without anyone noticing?

There is neither evidence of the RNA?s contingency planning nor evidence to show that the leadership reacted in a timely manner (to counter the Maoists withdrawal). The weather conditions may have stalled the RNA?s reaction, but this should have also delayed the Maoists? retreat. Do rivers not swell during the Monsoon season or can the Maoists walk on water? Are the RNA commanders waiting for the Americans and Indians to give them ?night vision maps? of Nepal or what???? Maybe an American book on ?common sense? and ?how not to get your troops massacred? would be useful.

What was the selection process in sending a man with a heart-condition (Col. Devkota) into Maoist-heaven ? is the RNA officer core really that short staffed or is this favoritism/nepotism, backfiring?

If the RNA top brass thinks that this disaster will convince military donors to continue military aid (so that more ?commissions? can be collected), it?s time to take off that silly looking hat and replace it with the ?thinking real hard? hat.

Why? Because one does not only have to be stupid but completely brain-less to think that the Americans will keep sending M-16s so that the Maoists can arm themselves better. How many weapons did the Maoists get this time??? Probably enough to make the politicians think twice about removing the monarchy and facing the Maoists alone.

Also, why does the RNA choose to lie and cover up its mistakes EVERY SINGLE TIME? The INSAS rifles may actually be defective but this realization should have come during trials of the weapon. Blaming the losses in Pili on the malfunction of INSAS rifles is like shooting oneself in the foot ? what about the rest of the 30,000 troops who carry this weapon into battle? How high is their morale going to be the next time they engage the enemy?

If a purchase is made based on a cost decision, then why complain about quality after 30,000 units have been bought and deployed? Why keep begging the Indians for more INSAS rifles if they are so unreliable? Is this the way to justify breaking the 1950 treaty? Did this thought never cross the decision-makers? minds? Plus, the Maoists seem to have no problems using the same weapon against the RNA ? no expert opinion on malfunctions coming from there.

If this RNA leadership is what the King is counting on to end Maoist-sponsored terrorism, all the republican forces have to do is sit back and wait. No need for demonstrations, no need for revolt, no need to do anything but let the fighting core of the army realize what a group of idiots they are working for.

Whether or not the human rights groups declare the Maoists guilty of disregarding the Geneva conventions, the RNA should declare its leadership unfit for duty. Mistakes are made in times of war but a mistake is something that happens because of unforeseeable circumstances, not negligence.

What happened in Pili is a obvious insight into the quality of the RNA leadership. It is not just the government and political parties that need new faces ? so does the RNA.