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 MUSLIMS ARE NOT OUR ENEMIES BUT...
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Posted on 09-02-04 11:37 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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ISLAM IS. I don't blame the muslims, they are only following what their faiths calls upon them. There are good muslims, and there are good muslims. However, the root of the problem is not the people, but the ideology behind it. ISLAM has failed humanity and its the source of evil.

Here are some verses from the "holy" Quran:

VIII/12: When thy Lord inspired the angels (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

Here one can clearly see that the Quran is openly saying to the muslims to give a torturous death to those who are non-believers of the Islamic faith.

XCVIII/6: Lo! those who disbelieve, among the people of the Scripture and idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.

From the above passage you can clearly see that according to Mohammed, Allah has reserved a special place for non- mulsims--HELL!

IX/5: Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor- due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

This verse tells us that muslims are free to convert non-muslims by force and brutality. If unsuccessful in doing so, they are free to kill.



Let us not be naive. Read the Quran, and you find the true meaning of the "peacefulness" of ISLAM.
 
Posted on 09-02-04 11:39 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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IX/73: Oh Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

LXIX/30-37: (It will be said)Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat.

Here we get a description of how to punish Non Muslims. This is in practice even today in Islamic countries. In fact, the Sikh Gurus and their families were tortured by muslims as prescribed in the Quran. For example, Sikh guru Tegh Bahadur on refusing to accept Islam, was brought to the prison in a cage like he was a wild animal. Three of his disciples were murdered in front of him. One of them was Bhai Mati Das. He was sawed alive. The other was wrapped up in cotton and burnt alive. Bhai Dyala, the third one, was boiled alive. Guru Tegh Bahadur himself was brutally tortured and killed in a similar fashion. We see further support of these types of torments in the verses below.

XLIV/43-50: LO! the tree of Zaqqum (The tree that grows in the heart of hell bearing fruits like devil's heads) - the food of the sinner. Like molten brass, it seetheth in their bellies as the seething of boiling water. (And it will be said): Take him and drag him to the midst of hell, then pour upon his head the torment of boiling water. Saying: TASTE! LO! thou wast forsooth the mighty, the noble! Lo! this is that whereof ye used to doubt.

IX/123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).


 
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IV/144: O Ye who believe! choose not disbelievers for your friends in place of believers. Would you give Allah a clear warrant against you ?

This verse clarifies the fact that a true Muslim can never be a friend of a person of another faith. People who believe otherwise are under delusion.

IX/29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

This verse in Quran gave birth to the law that all non muslims living in an Islamic state have to pay the jiziya or poll tax for the privilege of being there. These people are called zimmis and are allowed to live and work in the Islamic lands under the following 20 disabilities: (one has to wonder if apartheid was derived from this)



They are not to build any new places of worship.

They are not to repair any old places of worship which have been destroyed by the muslims.

They are not to prevent muslim travellers from staying in their places of worship.

They are to entertain for 3 days any Muslim who wants to stay in their homes and for a longer period if the muslim falls ill.

They are not to harbor any hostility or give aid and comfort to hostile elements.

They are not to prevent any one of them from getting converted to Islam.

They have to show respect to every Muslim.

They have to allow Muslims to participate in their private meetings.

They are not to dress like muslims.

They are not to name themselves with Muslim names.

They are not to ride on horses with saddle and bridle.

They are not to possess arms.

They are not to wear signet or seals on their fingers.

They are not to sell or drink liquor openly

They are to wear a distinctive dress which shows their inferior status and separates them from Muslims.

They are not to propagate their custom and usages among the muslims.

They are not to build their houses in the neighbourhood of muslims.

They are not to bring their dead near the graveyards of the muslims.

They are not to observe their religious practices publicly or mourn their dead loudly.

They are not to buy muslim slaves.
Here again I have stated another handful of facts which expose the true nature of Islam. Any logical person by now should have realized that Islam is meant for the lowest of the low. The followers of Islam are mindless tyrannical demons who know nothing better than killing and torturing people in the name of Allah. And they do this because a pervert named Mohammed, among other things, promised his followers 72 Houris (Beautiful Virgin Women) and virility of 100 men in 'Jannat' (Heaven). This is very puzzling--why virility of 100 men and only 72 houris? Why not 100 houris? The answer is very simple--the prophet Mohammed promises these "pious" muslims that they will also be given 28 young boys in addition to the 72 houris for their sexual pleasure.

NOTE: The works of A. Ghosh and Anwar Sheikh have been used in this article.


 
Posted on 09-02-04 12:24 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Very true.......it's not the people but it's the teachings of the Fuc****king Quran that brainwashes the Fuc*****king muslim MO FOs.

Rather than eliminating muslims, our effort should be eliminating the root cause of the problem.

Here's what I suggest.
1. Burn all the muslim establishments (no killing).
2. Chase all the muslims back to where they came from (no killing yet).
3. If step 1 and 2 doesn't work........Shoot them bastrads.
 
Posted on 09-02-04 2:08 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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morons trying act like scholars piss me off.
citing quotes from the Koran doesn't make Islam a violent religion. almost every prophet is known to have said that disbelievers will burn in hell. our oh so beloved Krishna included. Hindus have treated poeople from other faiths as second class citizens. Christians went on crusades to wipe out non-christians. its totally pointless to bash islam as a relgion. You are no different, as far as using arguments goes, than the terrorists that kill and justify it (read BLAME it) on their religion.
 
Posted on 09-02-04 2:58 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Very good point, maximum20.

The scriptures of all religions attempt to portray non-believers (or believers in other religion) as WRONG and deserving of an after-life in hell. Truth be told, these writings are so vague that they can be interpreted in the way you want it to be interpreted - be it the Quran or the Bible or anything other book.

Religion is an age old phenomena used to provide a crutch for people who had no other way of explaining how things happened in the universe and nature. Today science has explained many of the then unexplained, but religion and religious writings, no matter how dogmatic and outdated in today's world, still exist. And a certain sect of every religion follow those writings in a very fundamentalistic way - be it the Islamic terrorists who see the rest of the world as infidels, the Christian crusaders or the Shiv Sena who instigate communal violence against innocent Muslims in India.

To blame a particular religion as a whole is a weak attempt to pretend to know the answer to all the violence that exists in the world today.
 
Posted on 09-02-04 5:29 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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MUSLIMS SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED IN OUR COUNTRY. THEY MUST BE KILLED.
 
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Muslims are terrorists, they were terrorist in middle ages, the are the terrorist of future.
 
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Maximum, thank you for trying to put this trying incident into perspective. It is amazing that at this point in time when we all believe that we are so well-informed, we forget that we are all human beings. Let's not forget that religions are constructions of social ideals. Granted that most people have deep-rooted, genuine belief in their respective religions, those religions are not important than humanity and having empathy for your fellow man or woman. What happened to our Nepali brothers was heinous, and I believe none of us Nepalis would hesitate to show them the same level of callousness. But, those militants are different from our Nepali Muslims. Some of them have been living in Nepal for generations, just like most of us. Being Muslims, they too could have chosen the path West to Mecca, but they came to Nepal for the peace that she affords.
 
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--What happened to our Nepali brothers was heinous, and I believe none of us Nepalis would hesitate to show them the same level of callousness

"them" as in the militants
 
Posted on 09-02-04 6:10 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Yes. We can not blame to Muslim only...

Problem begin from Nepal, Among selfish Nepalese and corrupted Nepalese Government, Political Parties and their stupid, corrupted, selfish, vision less, moral less and un-educated leaders.

If we are Right and Strong enough, who "outsiders" can bother us. But we are wrong. We are bad.


 
Posted on 09-02-04 6:19 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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yeah they are our enemies but are our bitter enemys
 
Posted on 09-02-04 6:29 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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As put by the above authors, there might be some flaws in all religion, but to walk with time and follow the religion in conscious way is the path to follow.
So far literate Hindus, Christians, Buddhists have followed theri believes, but not hurting others. Hindu scriptures surely says that those who doesn't believe god goes to hell, but this is limited to the Hindu community. No where in the religion, it is mentioned to go to the people who are non Hindus and forcibly convert them to Hinduism or hate someone just because he is not hindu.
Religion is one's identity, not one's offensive weapon. There are atheist, but believing in science is their religion, religion is what you think you belong to.
But, on the name of religion, inciting violence is not humane at all.
I also agree the extremists factions of our religion commiting violence over others is not acceptable, but the extent of the barbaric act by these terrorists is well beyond comparison. There are pros and cons of anything. But the cons of this religion, specially when it comes to other religion believers is very very high.
Muslims in Nepal are Nepalese and they have full right to live in peace. We, Nepalese are compassionate, thus though there is violence in parts of Nepal, things will subside and lets hope peace will be established. But if the case was reverse, if hindu extremists in Nepal or Indian had done same act over innocent muslims, then hindus living in Mideast (if any) would have a quite different, gruesome fate for sure.
Nepalese. no matter Hindu, Buddhist, muslim or christian, all are Nepalese and we condemn this act.
But the explanation by maximum or provein in trying to compare our religion with the extremist faction of muslim believes is quite out of place, specially in this time. They forgot the point out that religion is a belief an identity. maximum says Hindu consider other religions as second class citizen (if that was true), but the extremist muslims, by their act, don't consider other religion believers not only as citizens but not as humans also.
Let there be peace............
 


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