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what these so called tigers trying to prove now.. REAd the news.. सुनसरी- मधेश मुक्ति टाइगर्सले मधेश आन्दोलनको अवधि भरी पहाडी मूलका नेपालीहरुलाई मधेश छाड्न चेतावनी दिएको छ । शनिवार टाइगर्सका केन्द्रीय संयोजक राजनद्वारा जारी गरिएको विज्ञप्तिमा सो चेतावनी दिइएको छ । विज्ञप्तिमा पहाडी मुलका नेपालीहरुले आफ्नो चेतावनीलाई बेवास्ता गर्दै मधेश नछाडे फौजी कारवाही गरिने जनाइएको छ । मधेशी जनतालाई समानता र मानवाधिकारबाट बञ्चित राख्ने खस ब्राम्हणवादी राज्यसत्ताले भुटानी शरणार्थी, आसामी तथा बर्मेलीहरुलाई मधेशी भुमिको अतिक्रमणमा छुट दिएको विज्ञप्तिमा उल्लेख गरिएको छ । मधेश माथिको पहाडीयाहरुको अतिक्रमणलाई नियन्त्रण गर्न बुधबार राती सुनसरीको हरिपुरबाट ११ जनालाई नियन्त्रणमा लिनु परेको विज्ञप्तिमा उल्लेख छ । विज्ञप्तिमा मधेशभुमीमा कार्यरत सरकारी कर्मचारी, सुकुम्बासी लगायतकाले मधेशको संस्कृति, भाषा, भेषभूषा र कर स्वीकार गरे कुनै पनि कारवाही नगरिने तर दौरा, सुरुवाल र टोपी लगाई मधेशभुमीमा हिंड्डुल गर्ने जो कोहीलाई पनि फौजी कारवाही गरिने चेतावनी दिईएको छ । राज्यले मधेश र मधेशी जनताको मागलाई बेवास्ता गरेको उल्लेख गर्दै विज्ञप्तिमा संविधान सभाको निर्वाचन मधेश र मधेशी जनताका लागि धोका भएकाले त्यसको कुनै औचित्य नरहेको उल्लेख गरिएको छ । यसैबीच टाइगर्सद्वारा बुधबार राती अपहरित ११ जनालाई शुक्रबार राती सप्तरीको जोगनीयाबाट मुक्त गरिएको छ । मधेशी मानवअधिकारकर्मी जङ्गबहादुर सिंह र सञ्चारकर्मी पङ्कज झाको रोहबरमा शनिवार भित्रमा मधेश छाड्ने शर्तमा मुक्त गरिएको अधिकारकर्मी सिंहले जानकारी दिनुभयो ।
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Posted on 03-09-07 10:55
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Saathi kun chahi bhasi parnu bhayo thaha bhayena tara mitra le itihas ramro sanga padhna bhaynu bhayeko chhaina jasto lagyo.Maile English ma 2 wata lekh lekheko chhu 2 chutta chuttai samayema. 1. The most important thing regarding Madheshis that anyone must remember is that Madhesh region of Nepal is not a sovereign and independent of itself. Let’s take a look. Physically it is a part of Nepal currently but ethnically it is a part of Mithilanchal and was physically too a part of Mithilanchal in past. Mithilanchal is a place where most of the people speak Maithili and infact is a mithila region that ranges from Terai parts of Nepal to northern parts of India, the capital of which is Janakpur which is located in Nepal where King Janak ruled and his palace locates here. So the aspirations of people of madhesh are more directed towards the people of mithilanchal where they have family ties and infact the motherland where people share same culture, customs and brotherhood. Like People born in Rukum have ties with people born in Dolpa culturally, politically and racially even if they don't know each other but they understand people by culture and they take no time in recognizing each others. Obviously It is a natural phenomenon supported by science and similarly one who is the aborigine of Janakpur and one who is the aborigine of Darbhanga (a city in India in northern Bihar where the great poet Vidya pati was born and is a part of Mithilanchal) and both being the part of same anchal i.e. “Mithilanchal” no one can deny the fact that Mithilanchal is our home (both people living in Janakpur and Darbhanga) by birth like hilly region for pahadis. Its therefore common the internal migration taking place in Mithilanchal (eg. Some migrating from Darbhanga to Janakpur and some migrating from Janakpur to Darbhanga for their easiness and they see it migrating in their own home). Mithilanchal is a territory that occupies both the parts of India and Nepal. Infact Pahadi people want to be identified themselves by the name of Lord Sita and Gautam Buddha in the world but after recognizing they are the part of Terai and Mithilanchal they show their their outrage to madheshi people and infact become jealous at us. Its their judgement that the people of Terai are Indians and they say it because their only source of nationalism is anti-indianism . I don't think there is any wrong in that because that is a truth because we had been Indians for so long and only before 238 years we physically became a part of Nepal. So there is no need to feel bad for Madheshis if somebody calls them Indian because it is Madheshis right to be called Indians. If people want to hear we calling Indians ourselves, we must tell them and clear them our identity and thus fight for that identity regarding the truth. And remember Truth always wins the battle whatever be the consequences and if not we will prove it so. We are mentally and physically prepared for that though we prefer to resolve the problem through table talk and common consensus rather than violence. But it has now been clear among all madheshis that they are not going to live under such inequality and injustice and with very negligible participation in state of affairs despite the madheshis accounting for half the population .Now we have already known that we are deciding our future and our way of living. And the Pahadis are fool to think that we Madheshis have forget our motherland , our culture and our social structure and accommodated in theirs because of their feudalistic power and threats under a controlled territory. Pahadis can not tolerate the fact of ties that Madheshis have to Mithilanchal of India. Besides they are always afraid of the future if whole the people of Mithilanchal comes and conquer the power in Nepal and they remain with nothing at all. But they must evaluate the consequences if that really does happen. And till now they have been successful to keep us under control knowing our weaknesses and fooling us in the name of Hinduism. They know Madheshis enjoy simple ,innocent and hard-working life with mutual understanding and brotherhood and thus they take advantage of our innocence and remain in power and utilizing all the resources that madheshis have (75% of revenue generated from terai and madheshi people) for their benefits alone. The reason they praise our valued Deepawali, Holi and chhat festival because they are well aware of our simple ,happy and brotherly life. Infact some kind of jeolosy is always there in their mind and they are aware that once we madheshis are given opportunity in state affairs we always tend to march above them politically and culturally. So the problem seems to be never ending for now. We must terminate the violence and look for a happy, peaceful and successful life individually. So the question arises on how we can solve the problem? Yes, there is a complete solution for this. I will tell you. There are only two ways. The first one is to fulfill the demand that the terai activists are currently demanding i.e. representation on the basis of population and declaring the Madhesh a separate state. This only ensures the Madheshis rights and their freedom and their right of self-esteem, self-actualization self-determination and self-rule because the history has shown that Madhesh never runs for the welfare of Madheshis if it it in the hand of Pahadis. This way Madheshis can make their life better and obtain a good standard of living because their resources will no longer benefit for others except for themselves and this can be obtained through peaceful revolution and table talk. We become a part of Nepal in this way not only physically but emotionally as well but with our unique identity, our own culture , our own understanding and our own way of life with self-esteem, self-determination and self-actualization. The second way follows the first way if the first way is not fulfilled. If the first way is not fulfilled, we madheshis compulsorily but not by our will have to go for revolution both armed and unarmed and we are determined for our identity and the truth. And we the people of Mithilanchal have always remained truthful and will remain truthful forever. And after complete freedom , its Madheshis who are going to do decide what they are going to do with their land and their motherland with a distinct identity that they are not having at present. So it’s not the madheshis who have to act or suffer now. The madheshis have for now only to look for the responses from Pahadis regarding the first way that the madheshis have sought. Its pahadis who have to act now and on the basis of their performance Madheshis are going to decide what measures they will take in future and they have already pre-decided about the action and reaction. So its better for the Pahadi government to decide on time the needs of Madheshis otherwise they have to repent in the future. Moreover, Pahadi people and Pahadi government have very few time to decide otherwise they will be the ones responsible for the mass destruction of lives and infrastructure. We want peace but we don’t want peace where lies injustice and inequality, negligible participation in state affairs and lack of self-determination, self-esteem and self-actualization and avoidance from utilization from our own resources and don’t want Pahadis representation in Madheshi areas. Above mentioned paragraph is my independent thought without being pressurized from Pahadis thought of unity in diversity but I love diversity in unity and this is the “aawaaz” and the general feelings and aspirations of Madheshi people. Hope the first way works. 2.Ahile ko government bata decision aaisakepachhi. The present government knowing the unanimous and immesurable power of Madheshis in Nepal has declared that the Madheshis be provided with more seats which Madheshis demanded as 49% of total seats on the basis of population.But it is this point of time in history Madheshis must be aware about the conspiracies made by the present Pahade government. The government wants to run Madheshis in its will and desire.The present Pahadi government is deciding what it is going to do with Madheshi demands.Infact the government is deciding what we Madheshis have to do by neglecting our power.If Madhesh and Madheshi people go on adopting what the government says today, the Madhesh is sure to be divided tomorrow within ourselves and we do not have freedom at all as we all Madhehis are pressurized under the present Pahade government time and again.We will get freedom even if we adopt the decision of government this time, but that will take another 238 years, lots of suffering and once destruction of too many Madheshi lifes and Madhesh infrastructure.And this brutal Pahade government has realized that we Madheshis are not going to give them another chance.This time we will come with full and final result.Infact it was not the first demand of Madheshis to directly come to the conclusion set forth by government currently. The madheshis demand was first to make assured that Krishna Prasad Sitaula resign and take responsibility of the death tolls and sufferings in the terai. And then only the Madheshi feel that their aspirations and feelings have been respected in the government.Infact we don't want someone or somebody to respect us but we want the things that is ours from the very aboriginal stage of ancestors and life. And then only the Madheshis will step for their second phase with their not genuine demand but their rights from their birth.Otherwise the present pahade government has realized that we are ready for next revolution in the history of the world.Madheshis do not feel free unless they form a different state within the country with self-rule,self-determination,self-image and self-esteem.So Madhesh and Madheshis! You don't have to do anything.You have already shown what you can do and what you deserve. Its Pahade government that takes response and we are going to judge them on the basis of how well they understand the supression they have been making to we innocent Madheshis and taking advantage of our innocence.We will judge how well they have understand our Power, integrity and our rights.We will also judge them how loyal have they become this time of history towards Madheshis.The time will definately show that truth always wins.If that does not happen ,we Madheshis will prove that truth always wins.
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Posted on 03-10-07 12:30
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Another Forum member killed in Nepalgunj. Keep proving Karnabi800
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कर्णब्रो, तपाईको मिथिलाञ्चलको कहानी ठिकै हो, तर के तपाईको 'अञ्चल' मात्र टुक्रेको हो र? के पहाडियाहरु टुक्र्या'छैनन र? देहरादुन, सिक्किम, दार्जीलिङ, असाम, भुटानमा छैनन र? तेसो भन्दैमा के हामीले मधेसीलाई भगाउदै उनीहरुलाई धमाधम ल्याउने वा भारत टुक्र्याउ भन्ने? नेपाल र भारतको यहि आपसी समन्वय भा'को कारणले त भिसा सिसा नलगाइकन एउटा देशबाट आर्को देशमा जान तेस्तो सजिलो भा'को हो नि। फोरमले आफ्नो कार्यकर्ता मरे हुन्थ्यो भनेर जोर गरेको अब पुरा हुने भयो। नेपालगञ्जमा एउटा मर्यो। त्यो चाहिं शहिद त होला नि। हुन त आन्दोलन आफ्नो हाताँ छैन भनेर बक्तब्य दिएको हो क्यारे, तर मर्या लाश लाई राजनीतिकरण त गर्ने होलानि। सिटौलाको राजिनामको लागि वा मधेसिको अधिकारको लागि गरेको आन्दोलन हो र यो? आफ्नो पार्टी कसरी अगाडि बढाउने भनेर गरेको हो। मधेसी बच्चाहरुले त्यसै पढ्न नपाएको बेला यो आन्दोलनमा बन्द पनि मधेसको स्कुलमात्र भा'को छ, त्यसको असर कसको जिन्दगिलाई पर्ने हो भनि रहन नपर्ला। मधेसमा पहाडियाले के बन्दुक देखाएर जितेको हो र चुनाव? उनीहरुकै नेता अनिस अन्सारी, मिर्जादिल सादबेग हरु जस्ता बन्दुके भएको ले मधेसीले आजित भएर पहाडियालाई विश्वास गरेको हो। अहिले पनि त्यहि हुदैछ। आफ्नै जनता मारेर सिटौलाको राजिनामा माग्ने यो के काइदा हो? अब ४९% सीट पाएपछि मख्ख परेर नेपाली भएर गर्वका साथ बस मित्र। हैन भने उताको मिथिलाञ्चल गए हुन्छ।जो यता मिलेरबस्न सक्दैनन, ति उता के बस्न सक्छन? उता पनि के लालुले सम्मान गरेर तपाईहरुलाई मालिक बनाउँछ र? हैन, स्वतन्त्र राज्य बनाउछौ भन्ने भ्रम पालेर बस्नु भा'छ भने ज्वाला सिंले जस्तो बन्दुके राजनीति गर्न पर्छ, जसले जित्छ जमीन उसैको भन्दै (त्यो लडाइमा दुबै थरी हार्छन, जमीन त कसैले छुट्याउन सक्दैन)। आज भर्खर कान्तिपुरमा खबर हेरेको, ज्वाला सिंको मान्छेले अर्को मधेसीलाई नै मुखाँ पेस्तोल पड्काएर मारे रे, किन भन्दा पेट्रोल नदिएकोले रे। तेस्तो बौलाहा राजनीति छ, माओबादिबाट छुट्टेर राजनीति गर्ने मधेसि ग्रुप हरुको। (तेसमा फोरम पनि पर्छ, बाइ द वे)कि मिलेर बसौँ, कानूनको शाशन र प्रजातन्त्रमा। जसरी तपाईहाम्रा पुर्खा मिलेर बसेका थिए। समस्या छलफल बाट समाधन गरौँ, मेरो गोरुको बार्है टक्का भनेर हैन। नत्र भने दुख सबैलाई हो, अझ बढ्ता दुख तराईबासीलाई हो।
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pire mitra, Mero lekhai bata kehi jankari paunu bhayo.Ramro.Aba banki kura garau. Tapaile Darjeling ra sikkim ko kura garnu bhayo. Mitralai ramro sanga kitab ra patra patrika ko adhyanna garna sallaha dinchhu. Sikkim ma tyahako productivity bhanda pani badi tyahako laagi Indian sarkar le annual budget chutyauchha.Sikkim ma yek kisim ko federalism typeko sarkar chha ra Manchhe haru tyaha andolan gardainan kina bhane uniharu swatantra ani arthik ruple maathi chhan. Darjeling ko kura garnu hunchha bhane tyaha pani tyastai chha. Tapaile kattiko Sikkim ra Darjelingko manchhe sanga kura garnu bhayeko chha thaha chhaina ani kattiko website bata information haru linu bhayeko chha thaha bhayena, tara tapaima sachhai information ko abhav dekhchhu. Nahunu pani kasari. Tapailai bachhai dekhi nai ani-Madheshi banna sikhayeko chha Pahade samajle.Darjeling ko afnai chuttai pahechan chha.Darjelingka manishharu swatantra bhayerai bachna payeka chhan ani uniharuko arthik unnati pani tibra ruple chha. Hernus pahade mitra, Hamro samasya hami Madheshma basne Madheshilai matra thaha chha. Samasya jaslai parchha tyasle matra andolan garchha. Hamile ahile timiharu jastai pahadeko boli bata yestai anti-Madheshi ko nara sunne apekchya gareka chhau jun ground reality ho ra sansarle yo kurlai ramrari abalokan garirakheko chha.Bastabma timro yo boli ahileko pahade sarkarle timiharuko mukhma kocheko boli ho. Rahyo kura utako mithilanchal ma basne. Yeta ani utako mithilanchal dubai hamra hun.Hamro laagi mithinlanchal pyaro chha jasari bharkhar teraima aaunu bhayeka tapai pahade harulai pahad ko maya abasye lagla. YOU ARE NOT THE ONE TO DECIDE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO LIVE AND DO WITH MADHESH ; ITS US MADHESHIS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND INFACT THAT IS THE POINT WHERE THE REAL THING LIES BECAUSE THE MADHESH AND MADHESHIS HAS ALREADY RISE UP AND UNDERSTOOD BUT WE JUST WATCH WHAT YOU PAHADE ARE DOING AND HAVE BECOME LOYAL TO US OR NOT. WE WANT FEDERALISM;WE WANT REPRESENTATION ON THE BASIS OF POPULATION AND DEFINATELY WE WANT 70% OF REVENUE GENERATED FROM TERAI TO BE INVESTED IN TERAI.WE DON'T WANT ANY PAHADE REPRESENTATION IN TERAI AS THE HISTORY HAS ALREADY TAUGHT US.WE WANT A DIFFERENT STATE THAT GIVES OUR OWN IDENTITY AND OWR OWN RECOGNITION.WE DON'T WANT TO MERGE OUR IDENTITY WITH SO CALLED NEPALI(PAHADES).THIS WAY WE MADHESHIS CAN NEPAL CAN REMAIN A INTREGATED COUNTRY WITH PEACE,HARMONY TOGETHER WITH MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING. YOU (INCLUDING ALL PAHADES) ,UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM AS SOON AS YOU CAN OTHERWISE YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO BE LOSS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A SUPRESSED POWER FROM 238 YRS BACK CAN DO THIS DAY. U MUST KNOW BOMB ALWAYS EXPLODES AT ONCE AND IT NEVER GIVES HINTS TO ANYONE otherwise MAHATMA GANDHI AND INDIRA GANDHI WOULD NOT HAVE DIED. WE MADHESHIS DOUBT YOU PAHADE MIGHT SUFFER THE SAME. U MUST KNOW THE WHOLE MITHILANCHAL WILL NOT BEAR ALL SUFFERINGS THAT THE MADHESHIS IN NEPAL ARE BEARING AND OF COURSE, YOU MUST TAKE NOTICE OF THE WHOLE MITHILANCHAL FORCE. TAKE CARE BYE. AND HOPE TO GET RESPONDED BACK SOON.
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Infact most of the Madheshis have family ties to India. So we can never be aloof from India emotionally and since your only source of nationalism is anti-indianism, that creates a problem between u pahades and we madheshis. U must be aware that we want progress in India but more than that we want progress in mithilanchal and definately Madhesh region of Nepal comes under Mithilanchal.Infact we madheshis want different state so that we can run on our own and become physically linked to other Nepalese place and emotionally to Mithilanchal because this is our home and people have been migrating within Mithilanchal from very aboriginal period.
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कर्नब्रो, बेवकूफ त तिमि छौ, दार्जिलिङका मान्छेले गोर्खाल्याण्डको लागि लडेको बिर्स्यौ? सिक्किम त अस्ति सम्म स्वतन्त्र थियो, त्यहाँ आजसम्म मान्छेले आफुलाई इण्डियन भन्दैनन। मिथिलाञ्चल कहिले स्वतन्त्र थियो? राजा रामको पालामा? त्यो बेलाको कुरो गर्ने भए हजारौं राज्य थिए भारतमा। btw, I can't read your comments. Way too difficult to read.
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नेपालको अखण्डता पहिलो र अन्तिम शर्त हो । ती दुई अग्निरेखा बिचका सबै भौगोलिक यथार्थ, सबै भावनात्मक वास्तविकता, सबै आकांक्षागत विविधता, सबै महत्वाकांक्षागत उचाई स्वीकार्य हुनुपर्छ । कुरा त्यत्ति हो । प्रसंग बदलौं, मैले आजै देखेको एउटा चाखलाग्दो कुरा सुनाउछु । हिजो मात्र मैले लेखेको थिएँ मैले केही मधेसी विद्वानहरुलाई "समानुपातिक" चुनावको माँग बारे अर्धज्ञानको आरोप लागाई च्यालेञ्ज दिएको कुरा । मैले Nepal Democracy Forum मा नेपालको मधेसी आन्दोलनका राजनैतिक नेतृत्व र उत्तर अमेरिका लगायतका एक्टिभिस्ट प्राज्ञिक नेतृत्व समेत भुतोभाङ नबुझी मिश्रीत समानुपातिक चुनाव प्रणालीको विरोध गरेर पूर्ण समानुपातिक प्रणालीको माँग गरिरहेका छन् भनेर आरोप लगाईरहेको छु, तर कोई माईका लालले पनि जवाफ फर्काएका होईनन् । आज एकजना मधेसी एक्टिभिस्टले उनको नियमित सन्देशमा लेखेका रहेछन्- "मिश्रित प्रणालीमा मलाई कुनै आपत्ति छैन" । उनको घैंटोमा बल्ल घाम लागेछ । अब मधेसी आन्दोलनको कथित दोश्रो खेपको घैटोमा लाग्न बाँकी घाम के हो भने चुनावको विस्तृत प्राविधिक पक्ष सडकमा मान्छे मारेर होईन टेबुलमा बहुपक्षिय तर्कसम्मत वार्ता गरेर गर्नुपर्ने कुरा हो । मधेसी आन्दोलनको केटाकेटौले दोश्रो खेपले मधेसकै संयम तोडिदिएको छ । आन्दोलन अवज्ञाले आन्दोलन संचालकहरु आच्छुआच्छु परिसकेका छन् । पहिलो खेपपछिको विजयी मुद्रामा वार्ता गरेको भए अब हुने demoralized मुद्रामा गर्नुपर्ने वार्ता भन्दा बढी ईज्जत र बढी फाईदा पनि हुनसक्थ्यो । तर मधेसी प्राज्ञिक नेतृत्वको कमजोर सल्लाहले मधेसी आन्दोलनलाई यो अवस्थामा पुर्यायो । अब मधेसी प्राज्ञिक नेतृत्वले पिडितवाद (victimhood) को घुम्टो ओढेर सबै दायित्वबाट बच्ने होईन मधेसी आन्दोलनलाई रचनात्मक अधोगतिमा पुग्न नदिन आत्मसमिक्षा गर्नुपर्ने बेला आईसक्यो । नत्र भने पहाडी-प्रधान केन्द्रले आफ्नो खटनमा मधेसी समुदायलाई दिएको ईज्जत र अधिकारमा चित्त बुझाउने पर्ने अवस्था आउन सक्छ । Nepe
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नेपेब्रो, (ने२३पे हैन, मुद्दा हाल्नुस हो नाम प्रोपर्टि राइटको लागि। धेरै नेपे देख्याछु ह्याँ) तपाईलाई यौटा सल्ला, त्यो टन्न संस्कृत राखेर किन लेख्या'नि? सबैलाई आउँछकि क्या हो तेस्तो घाघ वर्डहरु? कडाकडा वर्ड युज गर्ने मा बामपार्टीहरु सबभन्दा अगाडि छन अझ, जति सुकै संस्कृत को बिरोध गरेपनि। अनि, यो कमेन्टको अर्थ त्यो याक्टिविस्ट भन्या पर्मेन्द्रजी त हो। म त वहाँको रेगुलर पाठक हो। चाहे पत्याउनुस, चाहे नपत्याउनुस, भोलि मधेस छुट्टै राज्य (प्रदेस) भयो भने सबभन्दा पहिले पर्मेन्द्रलाई झुण्ड्याउछन, किन भन्दा वहाँ जस्तो तर्क गर्ने डेमोक्र्याट मान्छे अरु जिद्दिवाल मधेसिले मन पराउँदैनन। आफु भन्दा जान्ने मान्छे हामीलाई किन चाहियो भन्ने छ त्याँ पनि। अब मधेसको समस्याबारे तपाईले लेखेको कुरोमा पुर्ण सहमत। दुइ तिनजना सोर्ह बर्षे ठिटाहरुलाई पानि चढ्याछ, स्वतन्त्र, मिथिलाञ्चल भन्दै हिड्याछन। कौन सा इण्डियनले यिनलाई मिथिलाञ्चल दिन्छ? हामीसँग मिलेर बस्न नसक्ने के अरु सँग मिलेर बस्न सक्छन? त्यै भएर इण्डियन दुताबासले समेत बाल दियाछैन यिनलाई। सिटौलाको मेजर प्रोटेक्टर माओबादि र भारतिय दुतावास रे अहिले, थाहै छ होला।प्लिज हामीलाई भारतको एक भाग बनाउ भन्दै रिक्वेस्ट गर्न गएर यिनलाई के इज्जत छ? नेपाल र भारत दुबैले देश दुइ भए पनि आफ्ना जनता नबाँडिउन भनेर नै यो भिसा र पासपोर्ट नचाहिने सिस्टम राखेको हो, यतिले नि नपुग्ने भए हतियारै उठाउन पर्छ,साथीहरु। अनि एउटा कुरो नोट गर्नु भो, मधेसीहरु धेरै जस्तो बुरुक्क उफ्रने हरु बाहुन नै हो। झा, मिश्र हरु। अनि छेत्री यादवहरु। उनीहरुलाई नेपालले चाहिँ अहिल्यै एकै चोटिमा चुनाबै नगराई फेडरल सिस्टम बनाएर तिनलाई फोकटिया पार्लियामेन्टमा सिट दिएर, अझ राज्य दिएर छोटे राजा बनाइदिन पर्ने रे। अनि तिनैलाई राज्य त दिम्ला, तर मधेसी दलित र महिलाहरुको बारेमा के गर्छौ भन्दा 'यो हाम्रो समस्या हो, हामी नै समाधान गर्छौ' भन्छन। एक बचन बोल्न तयार छैनन उनीहरु आफुले दबाएका मान्छेहरुको बारेमा।माफी माग्न तयार छैन, दहेज प्रथा बिरुद्ध बोल्न तयार छैनन। त्यहि भएर ज्वाला सिंले अब 'दलित भर्सस हाइ कास्ट' पोलिटिक्स गर्न लाग्दैछ। उसको ग्रुपमा हाई कास्ट मधेसीहरु छैनन, मातृकाले त पाए खाउँला गरेको छ नै। सरकारले बाल गनिराख्या छैन। राजनीति पनि उसको तेस्तै हो। अनि त्यहि भएर आजकल उसले हाई कास्ट मधेसीलाई तारो बनाएर दलित पोलिटिक्स गर्न लाग्दैछ। त्यसैले तपाइले हेर्नु भो भने उसले मारेका धेरै जसो मान्छे हाई कास्ट मधेसि छन, र उ सरकारले बार्तामा बोलाए आउन खुट्टा उचालेर बसेको छ, फोरम र अरु हाईकास्ट मधेसीलाई माइनस गर्न। मधेसको पोलिटिक्स त झन बिचित्रको पो छ बाबै।
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Posted on 03-10-07 3:34
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हुन त नेपे ब्रो र पिरे ब्रो को तर्क र बिद्वतता माथि मैल कमेन्ट गर्न न सुहाउने हो । तै पनि तपाईंहरुको आलेख पढेर दिल खुश छ मेरो । मतलब मेरो भाव पनि त्यही हो । हेर्दै जानुस्, अब त्यो आन्दोलन ""टाँय टाँय फिस्" हुने छ र उपेन्द्र यादब् जस्ता बिभिषण् र तिनका पछाडि लाग्ने लङ्गुर् बांदर् हरु मिट्टिमा मिल्ने छ। अरे, फोकट् मे २-४ सीट् संसद् दिन तयार् थ्यो सरकार्, गृह मन्त्रीको राजीनामा मै अल्झ्यो। अब कहिलेइ सांसद् हुन नपाउने भयो बिचरा। अर्को कुरा नि ब्रो, उपेन्द्र यादब् र अशोक् शिंघल अनि भरत् केशरि सिंह् ले एकै मन्चबाट् हिन्दु राजा जोगाउन अपील गरेको तथ्य संयोग मात्र होला र? अनि सत्य हो भने, पशुपति मा ज्ञानेलाई ढुङ्गा बृष्टि को स्वागत् गर्दा, त्यो साइत् भन्दा १ घण्टा नै अगाडि नैपशुपतिमा राजा माथि ढुङ्गा प्रहार भनेर नेपाली भाषाको भारतीय टिभी च्यानल ले देखाएकोथ्यो रे । यो सत्य हो भने यो अराजाकताको स्रोत अन्त खोज्नै जानु पर्दैन ।
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Posted on 03-10-07 4:35
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पिरेज्यू, तपाईको सरल र सरस शैलीको म मौनप्रशंसक हुँ । त्यति चाही भनिहालौं । मेरो संस्कृतप्रेम चाही मेरो झर्रोवादप्रतिको अलगाव मात्र हो, अन्यथा होईन । वास्तवमा यसलाई संस्कृतप्रेम भन्दा पनि अनुचित हुन्छ । किनभने म विद्यालयमा संस्कृत विषयलाई अलग्ग नपढाई नेपाली भाषाकै शब्दभण्डारको रुपमा मात्र अर्थात् नेपाली भाषाकै कक्षामा पढाउनु पर्छ भन्नेमा छु । यसलाई यसो भन्दा हुन्छ -- म नेपाली भाषाको संस्कृतकरण होईन कि संस्कृत भाषा (शब्द) को नेपालीकरण गर्ने पक्षमा छु । त्यही सुत्र (vein) मा, म अंग्रेजी शब्दको पनि नेपालीकरण (अंगीकृत) गर्ने पक्षमा छु, अर्थात नेपालीमा नभएका अंग्रेजी शब्दलाई अंगिकृत नागरिकता दिने प्रथाको पक्षमा । पक्षमा भएपनि व्यवहारमा नै भने छुईन है, साँचो साँचो बोल्नु पर्छ । परमेन्द्रको बारेमा चाही, उसको तर्क र शालिनता यति inconsistent छ कि मैले तिनलाई अतिगम्भिरतापूर्वक लिन छाडिदिएको धेरै भईसक्यो । केही मधेसी मित्रहरुको पनि त्यस्तै अनुभव सुन्छु । उसको रचनात्मक उर्जालाई उसको inconsistency ले खत्तम पार्यो । मधेसको कुरामा चाही, मधेसमा आन्तरिक विभेद र विभाजन जति भए पनि मधेसी समुदायले राष्ट्रिय स्तरमा भोगेको विभेदको मुद्धा ओझेलमा पर्न पारिन हुन्न । नेपाललाई एउटा न्यायी, समानतावादी, समावेशी र आर्थिक उन्नतीवादी राज्यको रुपमा पुनर्संरचना गर्ने काम कसैलाई नपर्खेर जारी राख्नुपर्छ । त्यसो भन्दा मैले केन्द्र त्यसको निम्ती तयार भईसकेको छ भन्न खोजेको होईन । केन्द्रमा पनि स्वाभाविक, वास्तवमा अस्वाभाविक, अन्तरविरोध छ । सबै दलहरुका परम्परावादी तप्का, प्रगतिवादी तप्का र माओवादीको पनि कठमुल्लावादी (dogmatic) धार र व्यावहारिकतावादी (pragmatic) धारबिच बहुपक्षिय र जटिल तानातानी छ । तर खुशीको कुरा, जनआन्दोलनको क्रान्तिकारी जनादेशको कारणले गर्दा, आजको केन्द्रमा व्यावहारिकतावादी प्रगतिवादी धार हावी छ । त्यसैले सबै कुरा ठीक दिशामा (ठीक बेगमा नभए पनि) छ । जीवन, at the end of the day, शक्ति र न्यायको सन्तुलन हो । त्यसैले कुनै स्वीकार्य सन्तुलन प्राप्त गर्न गरिने संघर्ष, अथवा समयको आवश्यकता अनुसार पुरानो भएको सन्तुलनलाई पुनर्समिक्षा गर्न गरिने संघर्ष आदि जीवनको स्वाभाविकता हो । नेपालको अहिलेको केही अन्योलको अवस्था त्यही हो-- एउटा स्वीकार्य सन्तुलनमा पुग्न झट्कारिईरहेको अवस्था । यो स्वाभाविक, आवश्यक र अवश्यम्भावी कुरा हो । र अन्त्यमा, मधेसीहरुको आन्तरिक विभेद, विभाजन र राजनीति मधेसीहरुको मात्र मामला नभएर समस्त नेपालको मामला हो । यसलाई त्यसरी हेरिनु पर्छ । Nepe
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gorkhali thito
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Posted on 03-10-07 5:33
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Hellow guys what ever it is India's chal....22 ----24....Country seems like dividing. I think We have to request Prithive Narayan Shah to re-union nepal once more time.
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MadDoGG
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Posted on 03-10-07 5:43
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you got that right gorkhali...........................
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Posted on 03-10-07 5:44
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Nepal Nepali ko gar ho.....tarai jag ho, pahad bhitta ho bhane himal yesko chano ho ye tin bina na nepal rahancha na nepali......yo kura bujna sake yesto aapat kahiley aaudaina. yek aarka ko bhawana bhujhau ra milera basau jai Nepal
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Posted on 03-10-07 6:48
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Gorkhaland samapta bhayera gayo jun chuttai rajyako sthapanko laagi thiyo ani Sikkim pani chuttai rajya thiyo naki Nepal ko.Do not go so far because siraha, saptari ani rautahat pani ta India ko thiyo. Aba ke tyo pheri Indialai dine. But we are Madheshis of Nepal .Do not wait for more years. Its within few times that Madheshis will get victory over their land not only economically but politically.U know its very obvious that victory has to support us because our productive land supports us, our huge population supports and what not. U pahade are just nomadic in terai who came here few years back with the help of feudalistic power such as King Mahendra in search of good opportunity. I feel very sorry for u regarding how fragile ur vision is. I would like to know ur response as soon as possible and very sorry that u can't understand English well.
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Posted on 03-10-07 6:55
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Keto timile ramro sanga maile lekheko kuraharuko adhyanna gardainau ani yessai gaf jotera hunchha. Little knowledge is always dangerous. Take care in coming days." Kuch kahane or likhnese pahle usko 10 bar sochna chahiye" Tumko malum haiki nahi.
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jhatka
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Posted on 03-10-07 7:15
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It seems like all the madhesi want their own separate land, we all knew these immigrants from india one day show their true bihari color and stab you at the back
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ne23pe
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Posted on 03-10-07 7:48
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Pire and Nepe bro you see the Madhesi you are supporting is showing you his true color. No matter how much close you make yourself to be with a Madhesi at the end you are a Pahade to them or anyone else and unfortunately many Nepali will not understand that until much later.
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karnabi800
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Posted on 03-10-07 8:30
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ye rahulvai, Nepal ma upendra Yadav jasta 1 crore 30 lakh madheshi chhan. Upendra yadavle garna sakdaina bhane arko Madheshi hoina bhane pheri arko madheshi.THis is a natural process and mind it. tie tie fish samaya le dekhau chha kurakanile hoina. Dherai din banki chhaina bhai.
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ne23pe
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Posted on 03-10-07 8:40
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Let that time come Karnabi800, lets see how long it takes.
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Posted on 03-10-07 8:49
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yes jhatka prasad.you have given a good jhatka. I know u think Janakpur, biratnagar,bhairahawa,Birgung,butwal,chitwan are bihar.I know u also think Lord sita and Budhha are also born in Bihar as they are also the part of terai.Yes , if u think these are bihar, we will take that bihar because that is ours from the very aboriginal period of life.We don;t care what others like u pahades evaluate about us whether u evaluate all our places as bihar or anything else because we know how to evaluate ourselves.
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