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Indi, Cali is OK except for the traffic. SO how was your trip??

Turbulence, where are you ? R u hiding tail between the legs?

Why Maoists are not terrorist?

Nepal is one of the poorest countries in the world. What is the root cause of this bitter fact? Geographical constraint is one of the main causes. It is always very much depended with India and isolated with the rest of the world. India always acts as a big brother with Nepal.

Of course we cannot forget 104 year of black period Ranas Rule in Nepal. Virtually Nepalese society was stagnated in terms of development in this more than century time period, where as this was the time when the rest of world was making a big leap in development.

Certainly, there were lots of positive changes after the 2007 political changes. In Panchant Era and even after 2046, certain class of people took advantage of the system; normal people from village did not even feel the presence of government. What is the meaning of state for a normal people? The State?s main reposibility with people is development, security, education, health care, pension plan, and help in case of natural disaster. Do you think average people from village have this? So why they want to be ruled by someone who will do nothing for them and pay taxes to this system. So, what is the alternative in this case? They have started to look their right and they declare a war with the system and which is Maoist Movement.

In war time, there are can be certainly some mistakes. Do not forget millions of people involved in Maoist movement, there are can be certainly personal judgment error. Maoist has not bombed cinema halls, or public places. If the make mistakes, they apology open with public.

Turbulence,
U must b right in your point of view.(hario chasma lagayo bhane sabai hario dekhchha..rato lagayo..ratai).
But i recon,
MAOIST are TERRORIST, TERRORIST, TERRORIST,
TERRORIST and they are M'Fkin TERRORIST!

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यसमा मेरो भने एकदम "दहीच्यूरे" धारणा छ ।

माओबादीले उठाएका मागहरु, मुद्दाहरु एकदमै जायज छन र खाली जुलुस मात्रै निकालेर र भोटै मात्रै हालेर यी मुद्दाहरु कहिले पनि surface पनि हुने वाला थिएनन्, समाधान नै भएर नेपालको समाजको आधुनिकीकरण हुने त धेरै परको कुरा भयो। नेतृत्व छाडेर तल्ला तहका जति कार्यकर्ता छन्, तीनमा धेरै माओबाद बुझेर माओबादको लागि लड्ने भन्दा पनि युगौंदेखि को अत्याचार, अन्यायले पिल्सिएर अरु केही संभावना नपाएर आफ्नो असन्तोषलाई exit दिन लागि परेका हुन्। माओबादी यसरी विस्तार नभएको भए शायद नेपालमा आज झन भयावह श्रीलङ्काको जस्तो जातीय, साम्प्रदायिक संघर्ष पनि फैलिन सक्थयो भनेर पनि धेरै बुज्रुक हरुले भनेका छन। माओबादी यसरी नबढेको भए र अर्कै साम्प्रदायिक संघर्ष भएको भए आज १५ हजार होइन, १५ लाख मान्छे पनि मारिन सक्थे। रुवाण्डा तिर ३ बर्षमा १० लाख मान्छे मारिए, यो पनि भुल्नु हुदैंन। अहिले त कम से कम राजनैतिक कारणमा भईरहेको छ हत्या, हिंसा, मान्छे राजाबादी, माओबादी, सेना, पुलिस, काँग्रेस, एमाले, सत्ता-पक्ष, विपक्ष भनेर मारिएका छन् तर कल्पना गरौं त कोही बाहुन, गुरुङ्ग, पहाडे, मधेशी , हिन्दू, बौद्ध आदि भएर मारिनु पर्ने अवस्था झन कति डरलाग्दो हुने थियो होला। कुनै अहम् कारण नभई माओबादी पनि बढेको छैन र माओबादी बढ्नुको कारण माओबादी को हत्या हिंसा भन्दा पनि सामन्ती समाजको वर्तमान अवस्था ज्यादा जिम्मेवार छ र बाबुराम भट्टराईकै शब्दमा "माओबादी समस्या होईन, भइरहेको समास्या समाधान गर्ने प्रयत्न हो "।माओबादीले युगेंदेखिको सामन्ती समाज-व्यवस्थाका सबै कमी कमजोरी surface मा ल्याईदिएको छ, र यसलाई अझै political conduit भित्रै राखेको छ, यस अर्थमा म terrorist मान्दिन ।

तर यसो भन्दैमा मैले उनीहरुको तरिका प्रति सहमति जनाएको होईन। मार्ने नै हो भने किन गरीबका छोरा छोरीलाई मार्छौ, मार ज्ञानेन्द्र र पारसलाई एकै घानमा सुईकाइदेउ, आर्मी र पुलिसका जेनेरल, आईजीपी लाई हान, किन बीचरा सिपाही मार्छौ, गिरीजा, माकुने, गोबिन्देलाई सुईकाइदेउ, किन गाउका मान्छे मार्छो। जे गरे पनि र जसले गरे पनि मर्ने मान्छे गाउँको चप्पल लाउने नै भएको छ, शहरमा महलमा बसेर जुत्ता लाउने लाई त मस्ती नै छ। गाउँमा कसैले नयाँ चप्पल afford गर्न सक्ने पैसा कमाएर नयाँ चप्पल लगायो भने "नयाँ चप्पल लगाउने सामन्ती" भनेर माओबादीले ठोक्छ, त्यही खुबी पनि नभएर पुराना चप्पल नै लगाई बस्यो भने "पुराना चप्पल लगाउने सर्वहारा गरीब बुङ्गा माओबादी " भनेर सरकारले ठोक्छ। सदा झैं पिल्सिने त चप्पल लाउने मात्रै हो, जुत्ता लगाएर महलमा बस्ने लाई कसैले छुने होइन डाँकाहरु।

र माओबादीको अन्तम लक्ष जुन छ, communist republic को, त्यसमा भने मलाई डर लाग्छ। एक प्रकारको तानाशाही लाई तोड्नुको लक्ष अर्को तानाशाही ल्याउने होइन। फेरि सबै पार्टीमा सद्दे मान्छे पनि छन्, अनि सबै पार्टीमा असद्दे मान्छे पनि छन्। पहिले देखिकै उसका भनाईलाई मैले follow गर्दै आएको छु र personally, माओबादीभित्र बाबुराम भट्टराई लाई म भरोसा गर्छु ।Frankly, I havent seen anybody who is as visionary as him in the political leadership of Nepal. उसले साम्यबादी कम्यूनिष्ट ल्याउने पनि भनेको छैन। यस्तै काँग्रेस मा नरहरि आचार्य र गगन थापाको बिचार बोक्ने मान्छेहरु मलाई मन पर्छ, एमालेका सबै पाखण्डी , धोकेबाज जस्तो लाग्छ।राजाबादी हरु पनि माथिल्ला भ्रष्ट र गुन्डाहरु बाहेक धेरै जसो राजाको भक्ती गर्ने भन्दा पनि देशको भक्ती गर्ने राष्ट्रबादीहरु छन र धेरैले राजालाई समर्थन गरेको राजा मन परेर भन्दा पनि अरुले झन डुबाउँछन, देशै बेच्छन कि भनेर हो जस्तो लाग्छ मैले देखे अनुसार।

साझामा सबैले यस बारे आ-आफ्नो धारणा राख्नु भएकोले मैले नि आफ्नो राय राखेको हो। सबैले नेपालको चिन्ता गरेर नै आफ्नो विचार राखेको होला जस्तो मान्छु म त, त्यसैले एउटा पक्ष बिशेष लिएर साझाका केही अरु thread हरुमा जस्तो epic युद्ध गर्ने मेरो रहर छैन है प्लीज, the above are just my own views, everyone is free to agree or disagree ।

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Turbukence,
Why are you running around the bushes?? It does not answer any of the issues.

The maos have made it clear. Thier goal is clear. They wanna commi state. They are using the means of violence. The issues raised by them regarding class differnce, coruption, development are just to get the public support. There whole ideology is failed one. They are using the terrorism to indict fear to practice failed ideology.

So, a question for you? What about the poltical executions, extortions, bombing of infrastructure, bombing of bus, and so on. Is not this act of terrorism? They have never kept their words. SO how can the public trust them? Admit it they are terrorist. Do not defend the traitors.

Turbulance, you wrote "Maoist has not bombed cinema halls, or public places." Are you sure?
What about the bombing of public bus just recently and killing 30+ civilians in Chitwan?
No excuses, mister terrorist supporter.

>Maoist has not bombed cinema halls, or public places. If the make mistakes, they apology open with public.
गर्दै माफि माग्दै त धेरै पटक भैसक्यो। अनि माफि मागे भनेर terrorist हैन भन्नु पनि मिल्दैन। Turbulence जीले कुनाकुनाको यथार्थ कि बुझ्नु भएको छैन कि ढाक्न खोज्दै हुनुन्छ।
एकदमै सतही र हल्का जवाफ दिनुभो, तर सबले कस्तो आफ्नो आफ्नो बिचार राखे।

They are not Revolutionary Either.

Turbulence,
Check this shajha link. This shows maos are nothing more than inhumane terrorsits. Stop denying the facts. Do u work for Maos PR?? Why are you propogating the terrorists??


http://sajha.com/sajha/html/openThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=23303

Pradeep Giri, Nepali Congress ( Democratic ) Prominent Leader, once told in NTV Dishnerdesh Program, " I know it sounds a bit rude to say but if you we look history different courtiers in the world, the sacrifice we have made is not that significant. What we are seeing right now is Sati Devi burning in fire and I am very hopeful, Sati Devi will come in form Parbati and give birth of Kumar". His analogy was with Maoist Movement. This is how intellectual political leader analyse Maoist movement even he does not totally agree with what Maoist are doing.

You do not target the people whom you are fighting for? How do you judge who is intelectual? By academic qualification or by success in the resepective field, how?

Pradeep Giris commnet just proved the back stabbing nature of the poltical parties.

Turbulence,

You know damn well and so does all that most of the people in maoists movement have some sort of grunge. The poverty, class difference or human rights. These were exploited by maoists leaders very well. These maoists leaders like Baburam, Prachanda, Badal and others are real terrorists. If you have not forgotten, Baburam's children are in Londaon. He also took his parents to visit Mankamana during the peace talks. Talk about HYpocracy.

Do not play the he said she said game. Look at the facts. Facts speak louder than words.

Ya and you know other thing. Before maoists movement, inspite of wide spread corruption, Nepal was opening up for international trade. There were businesses coming in. Once you are in international trade, you have to maintain class. This was slowly improving the living standard of whole Nepal which unfortunately did not substantiate because of the terrorsits ya you heard me terrorists Maoists.

SO down with Maoism.

Maosits might be doing all these for a good cause but their ultimate aim is not democratic. The means and ways they are adopting to achieve their goal proves that they are terrorists. There is no point to argue on such subject.

Highfly,
You sounds so traumatised. My sympathy to you if you have personally suffered with the Maoist Movement but I disagree with your logic. Maoist are NOT terrorist in any sense. They are fighting for 95% of Nepalis. You have to analyse the whole spirit of Movement, not with isolated event. There is no doubt they have done some big mistakes over the last decades, we certainly have to criticize and warn them for that.

But overall, they are the one who will make a new Nepal. We are not very far to repeat the history ROMANIA. Just wait and see.

I agree with you Turbulence. Oh yes I do. Maoists will surely make New Nepal as if they have not already made it. They will make it a living hell.
The whole country has been traumatized by these terrorists. May be not you. May be it is because you belong to one of them. What are you talking about? Hasn?t killing of more than 12000 people, living everyday in fear and uncertainty been traumatizing? Oh I forgot, you are a Maoists, not a forced one but the one who willingly chose to kill and terrorize people, and mainly innocent ones.
You think they are fighting for 95% of the Nepalese people? Where?s your logic here? They are killing the people from the same percentile while those that fall in your 5% are still free and alive. And you know why, you sure know damn well, why all the corrupt politicians are still alive, and free. It because they are the ones providing money to the terrorists. When these terrorists extort money, who do you think they first go to? They go to these corrupt politicians. And that is why they are alive, because if Maoists kill them, who will provide food and shelter to them? So, no these Terrorists are not revolutionaries, because the very people they are fighting for , they kill them, the people they are fighting against, they use them. So you brainwashed terrorist supporter, don?t talk about logic here.

Turbulence,

I personally think you are crazy. What makes you say that they are fighting for 95% for Nepalese? Did you conduct that survey? And why in the world are you trying to justify Maoist?s crime here. What is your goal, son? Are you benefiting from the loss of lives of thousands of Nepalese? Maoists are terrorists and you cannot change the fact. They will die one day like street dogs by their own people. But by then they would have destroyed Nepal into nothing but a battle ground where the human blood would run through the rivers, crows would be snatching reaming of the human bodies..... Is that what we are trying to justify here?

Turbulence,

Ya I am traumatized by maoists. If I go to KTM I am locked inside KTM. I cannot move freely inside my own country. I see fellow Nepalese extorted, executed, tortured, raped by the maoists terrorists.

I see the Maoists terrorsits as the main reason for the colapse of democracy and subsequent rise of the king.

You see Nepal to be as Romania. I see it heading towards becoming a Afghanisthan or COmbodia in this way.

YA Who the hell is UK except for it being a faithful Doggiedog of US. YOu know that UK is the one who sold nukes tech to Israel. Right. Talk about hypocracy.

132569,
I'm glad that we could concur on something so obvious. After all, that is what they call the juntas like Maoist -- a terrorist.

Each coterie (Maoist and Army) must have used media propaganda to some extent; but I have no doubt that Maoists are bigger culprit among the two.

One thing I must make clear is, I do not intend to knock any poster or any self righteous posters. But when you see enough of something, without any well defined objective, but is solely riding on an ideology which can be summarized as -- "this is right because it is right," -- among other things.

Then there are those who believe that -- "it is the only thing that is right and that is why this is the only thing I see, believe, and act on and if you do not agree with me ? god help you."

Then,

Sometimes you got to say, "Hey! Helloooooooooooooooooo!!!! I think god gave all of us something called common sense; shall we use it?" Catch my drift?

Not pointing at any ONE particular person -- regarding people who try to subdue the heinous crime, what can you tell them? People can superfluously show their open-mindedness where we need to pay respect to the departed souls, and close their mind where they need to be more receptive.

I mean, cutting genitals, mutilating, planting bomb in the stomach, etc, I can just wish if people can not mourn the loss of someone's life, can they at least stop degrading their death? Enough said.

132569, I hope I managed to express myself.

La hai ta,
IndisGuise:)

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Highfly, I had to cut my trip short. Only made half of it. Was kinda not feelin well.
Anything interesting in here? :)

Turbulence,

If you read your statement you posted after my call - stating maoist are anything but terrorists. You would have to admit that you helped the claim made by many in here.
I was actually surprised with your answer - then again I realized, indeed one can only defend the inhumans for so long.

Please read you last line - "Maoist has not bombed cinema halls, or public places. If the make mistakes, they apology open with public."

Most other posters have effectively expressed the rebuttles. Mine would not be much different from theirs.

Turbulence - You know who and what they are, don't you? Common now.

Anyways, I leave that for your inner self to decide. I rest my case.

IndisGuise:)