[Show all top banners]

Jay Mehta
Replies to this thread:

More by Jay Mehta
What people are reading
Subscribers
:: Subscribe
Back to: Kurakani General Refresh page to view new replies
 Is Nepal a Foolish State?

[Please view other pages to see the rest of the postings. Total posts: 29]
PAGE: <<  1 2  
[VIEWED 14126 TIMES]
SAVE! for ease of future access.
The postings in this thread span 2 pages, View Last 20 replies.
Posted on 12-24-07 4:32 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
Login in to Rate this Post:     0       ?    
 

Is Nepal a Foolish State?

 

Infact, it is true that Nepal is considered the most “foolish state”. Many political analysts believe that Nepal cannot live to its status as a sovereign state. Sovereignty of the state have been compromised time and again for the better ruling political factions and creating a state without any political boundaries. The country has further been fallen from its economic grace and the Government of Nepal is well known for its unaccounted records to its creditors. It is believed that Nepal is one of the few nations that do not have a credible national accounting and the treasury is said to be monitored and operated by the least knowledgeable authority. This is one of the many facts that Nepal earns its title as “a foolish state”.

 

The recent political development in Nepal focuses more on establishment than the reality of its nationhood. The Nepalese identity for centuries was protected under a Crown and it was this Crown that enabled Nepal to be independent when most of the subcontinent was colonized by the imperial powers. In the 21st century, Nepal as a state is considered a “failed state”. India on other hand uses its muscle power over Nepal for its political motives. Many in India believe that Nepal is an external part of India if not an internal part. This proved to be true in many aspects of how Nepal is ruled and operated at the present context. Under the ruling dynasty, it was virtually impossible for India to have its way indirectly in Nepal. The present Republican setup is a grand design sponsored by no other than India and its concerned parties. The Royal Massacre of 2001, which is widely believed, was a grand design of India and other internal factions to influence then Crown Prince Dipendra to commit what was committed and be protected under immunity was proved to be true as thought by many individuals. It was hard for India and other internal factions to get away with the famous monarchy of Nepal without having it destroyed by its own seed. This paved a way to a new Nepal under a security umbrella of India directly. Nepal under the strong monarchy was always feared by many concerned Indian diplomats in Delhi.

 

India’s policy towards harboring terrorists in its soil was often condemned by many of its neighbors. India refuted to the remarks of its neighbors and at the same time pointed its fingers on Pakistan for harboring terrorist and using it against India. On the other side, India harbored Nepalese Maoists leaders in its soil and supported them to create an environment where India could use its pretext to interfere in Nepalese affairs directly. It is a proven fact that India used its influence on Maoists and had them equipped with weapons and allowed them to use its base against Nepal. The Nepalese Royal Government at that time was very much aware of it and King Gyanendra had called Indian envoy to discuss the matter. After the coup, the King showed his dissatisfaction against India by completely cutting off the Kingdom from the rest of the world and refused to talk to any Indian dignitaries.

 

On the other hand, the political parties with the help(financially and politically) of Indian government began its revolt against the Monarch. It was to a great surprise that Nepalese could forget Maoists who had killed thousands and began targeting the Crown. The game that India played was significant to bring political parties to power and have it play their interest through political parties. Since Nepal proved to be a “Soft State” in every matter, it failed to protect its statehood. The State gave away easily without enforcing rule of law to few protestors. The people understood that they could bend the government by agitating and blocking roads and transportation to serve their interest without any rationalization. This was seen and practiced by few disgruntled group time and again through out the Kingdom. The Government often gave away easily and also compromised its statehood for its people.

 

Now since Nepal under the supervision of India is moving towards a new setup, Nepalese land and blood have been compromised. Removing a Crown not only make Nepal more versatile but also very submissive. The Royals in many instances did protect nation’s interest above everything. It also put its Crown and risked it for the nation’s interest. Republican Nepal would be certainly a challenge when there are other ethnic factions in Teria fighting for its independence and now a different war could be waged for another 20 years. Can Nepal handle it under India’s interest and supervision?

 

The leaders of Nepal time and again have failed to stand by its political principle. It has been used as a toilet paper by the Maoists to have their demands met. Their continuous change of agreements to serve their needs have once again validated Nepal soft stance, and proved Nepal as a “foolish state”.                  


 
Posted on 12-26-07 10:59 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
Login in to Rate this Post:     0       ?    
 


Jay Mehta has got quite a perspective. Good thing that no Nepalis share those because had it been, Nepal would not be a foolish state but a part of India.

It takes decades to change the percecption of people. One person cannot be bad one day and the God the other. No matter how good the intention of King G were,

his past came to haunt him. Trust is everything for a public leader, if u don't have trust, u don't have anything. Maybe Nepal is a failed state,

maybe it is a foolish state but one thing it is not is it is not a part of India, no matter what the hell the people of india think. I can go on dreaming

that the whole world is mine but it will never be true. Yes, India has a lot of geo-political influence on Nepal, in part excerbated by the political

incapability but Nepal still has its sovereignty which is under attack because of people like you. Time is ripe and action should be taken. Each of us should converge our powers to activism.

Do whatever we can even if it a penny you can donate. You never know what your actions will entail. It just takes one strong leader.. thats is what it all takes.. We need a Lincoln or maybe Martin Luther or

even Mahatma Gandhi.. One Leader is all we need to bring all the diverse faction to one page..

 
Posted on 12-28-07 3:11 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
Login in to Rate this Post:     0       ?    
 

I agree with Jay Mehta's views here except for that monarchy preserved our sovereignty. I think its bullshit. I agree with how day on this.
 
Posted on 12-29-07 2:40 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
Login in to Rate this Post:     0       ?    
 

hat goes around, comes around. Maybe not today or sooner but surely in future. There are enough problems in India and people outside of India think, it's the weirdest place to live. I understand the deteriorating condition of Nepal in all areas, but we have no one but only ourselves to blame. I don't have a doubt about not having enough talented Nepalese people, but I think it would be a foolish attempt to compare 2 million people to more than a billion people in India or anywhere in the world. It wasn't because India or any other country has all the genius people piled up in one place, it's because of the majority of more educated people in all areas, be it IT or agriculture and the resources where budget plays the most important role. Go to the villages of Nepal and observe their education standard, and you will understand how anyone could mould these naive children to anyone they desire unlike the ones in the more sophisticated cities. Don't you think that's the case with the maoist having so many child soldiers? It's the ENVIRONMENT and the opportunity that makes a person, had you not been in the US or wherever you are, you would not be writing such articles. It doesn't matter WHAT SKILLS YOU HAVE, if you don't have the right environment and opportunities, EVERYONE TENDS TO GET FRUSTRATED. And that's what happening with the Muslim terrorists around the world. I would do the same, SCREW THIS LIFE, JUST TELL ME WHEN AND WHERE. Nepalese people who are well educated, skilled, wealthy seldom join politics and get their hands dirty but instead fly away to further safer and more systematic, more fruitful country. To be honest, as much as people bring about their sentiments of their home place here, it's rare to find someone going that extra mile doing something worth while about it. I'm sure if skilled Nepalese people around the world get together and vow to take all the responsibilities, then Nepal being smaller in its territory would take very less time to flourish into a prosperous, systematic, peaceful and fruitful country.

 
Posted on 12-29-07 10:38 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
Login in to Rate this Post:     0       ?    
 

how day!! a couple of things.

You said people were deprived of basic rights; roads were built because... and so on and so forth, but my question is the democratically elected government doing anything different.

If they are the same then one king is better then 55 ministers.

Lastly, anyone (minister, king, you or me) with that stature (power + money) would do the same (corruption).

 


 
Posted on 12-29-07 12:53 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
Login in to Rate this Post:     0       ?    
 

Is Nepal a foolish state? Certainly not. Is Nepal a state of foolish? NO.

Nepal is a country that is surrounded by two superpowers, India and China. As per our esteemed analysts, China is our ally and India eyes on our land and sovereignty. When Nepal is enveloped by India on its three sides of the rectangular borders, the jagged Himalayan range in the Chinese side does not do much for the Nepalese integrity, albeit we hear the Chinese commitment to our well being despite Nepal supporting the Tibetan refugees. Bhutan has seen better days. Only that hundreds of thousands of Bhutan born Nepalese were compelled to abscond the tyranny, physical and mental, of the Bhutanese government. I hear thousands of Nepalese being mistreated in the states of Assam, Nagaland and Mizoram, and similar numbers fleeing to avoid any further persecution by their Indian counterparts.  It is a good thing that most of them have been granted refuge in Europe and the US, despite being housed in the dilapidated refugee camp in squalid conditions, in Nepal.

The question is, Is Nepal a Foolish State? All the furors aside, all the politics aside, Nepal is not a foolish state. Mr. Mehta, your analysis is in depth and mind altering if anything, but it is just not right that Nepal is a foolish state. It is just an impoverished state. It is a land of limited or virtually no resources. Would I be foolish if I were poor?

The crown and monarchy has been a pillar to the sovereignty of Nepal, not to Nepalese people. The panchayat system, then criticized for its illogical anti democratic parameters is today widely hailed by people to be more secure and convenient than the new found, twice restored democracy. As someone said, it is in its infant stage and more or less in transition. My point is how long does it take a person to know of its impacts when there are live examples throughout the world. The ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia and many African countries were not patriotic, they were more political. Our Maoist counterparts should have studied the efficacy of Maoism in today's world, before announcing their goal and ways of achieving it.

 Communism is a failed system, and the history has proved it over the time. Russia is not a foolish state, it is a failed state. Bolsheviks did the right thing by deposing and massacring the Tsars, only to push the country to a crevasse where it still writhes in the aftermath of the violent communism. Stalin, if anything, annihilated millions of Jews, and so did Hitler. However, Hitler and Stalin is not the issue here. The issue is collectiveness and individual despondency. The despots in the WWII era were more inclined towards their personal hatred, rather than principal. I bet, Marx and Lenin did not propound communism for the people to suffer.

Fidel Castro is a very capable man, still fighting the death and opposing the US and pretty much the rest of the world. But was it a good thing for Cuba? I meet many Cubans who are only proud of their hand-rolled Cuban cigars rather than their country. I hope we do not want to be proud of only our Khukuri and Mt Everest, if not the country.

Some of the aforementioned narratives are beside the point, but it inherently links to our belief system and lack of passion to collectively partake the challenge of addressing and reforming our belief system.

I would say, Nepal is a failed state on the grounds of political unrest and lack of opportunity for the citizens. Other than that, Nepal is one of the most beautiful countries in the world. Without pretense and without a need to.

We can only but learn from Laloo Prasad Yadav. Despite being ousted from his CM chair over $300 million fodder scam, he resurrected the Indian Railways from its ashes and turned it about to be one of the most profitable government institutions. He did so without cutting down on the services and manpower, but addressing the loopholes and inefficient portals with ingenuity and a very limited resources. Turns out that it does not take an Ivy League educated professional to turnaround the sinking ship. Just a common man, with determination and co-operation.  A common man, like us. Like you and me.

 


 
Posted on 12-29-07 4:07 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
Login in to Rate this Post:     0       ?    
 

In my opinion.......YES!!!
A country is only as good as its leaders. How wise do you think our leaders are??


 
Posted on 12-29-07 11:43 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
Login in to Rate this Post:     0       ?    
 

Now these f.. political parties are playing all the foul games and taking no responsibility towards all the crimes.  Scores died in recent bridge collapse, no so called political parties cared  to solve the problem. Because they don't care dead people who can't vote. These leaders are far worse than King.
 
Posted on 12-30-07 7:43 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
Login in to Rate this Post:     0       ?    
 

U r right aman, but all the blindfolded nepali bheda janta are not able to see the truth, i don't know what's wrong with them may be brain washed., I wish entire nepali janta could see open their eyes and realize the truth be liberal as we always used to be.,  not divided by any nonsense political parties explotations.,
god help nepal

 
Posted on 01-06-08 11:16 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
Login in to Rate this Post:     0       ?    
 

Found this article interesting. Posted in under a new thread due to its length.

 

http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=54841


 



PAGE: <<  1 2  
Please Log in! to be able to reply! If you don't have a login, please register here.

YOU CAN ALSO



IN ORDER TO POST!




Within last 60 days
Recommended Popular Threads Controvertial Threads
TPS Re-registration case still pending ..
and it begins - on Day 1 Trump will begin operations to deport millions of undocumented immigrants
Tourist Visa - Seeking Suggestions and Guidance
From Trump “I will revoke TPS, and deport them back to their country.”
I hope all the fake Nepali refugee get deported
Those who are in TPS, what’s your backup plan?
ढ्याउ गर्दा दसैँको खसी गनाउच
To Sajha admin
MAGA denaturalization proposal!!
How to Retrieve a Copy of Domestic Violence Complaint???
wanna be ruled by stupid or an Idiot ?
All the Qatar ailines from Nepal canceled to USA
MAGA मार्का कुरा पढेर दिमाग नखपाउनुस !
Travel Document for TPS (approved)
MAGA and all how do you feel about Trumps cabinet pick?
NOTE: The opinions here represent the opinions of the individual posters, and not of Sajha.com. It is not possible for sajha.com to monitor all the postings, since sajha.com merely seeks to provide a cyber location for discussing ideas and concerns related to Nepal and the Nepalis. Please send an email to admin@sajha.com using a valid email address if you want any posting to be considered for deletion. Your request will be handled on a one to one basis. Sajha.com is a service please don't abuse it. - Thanks.

Sajha.com Privacy Policy

Like us in Facebook!

↑ Back to Top
free counters