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Bhoonte
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Posted on 12-06-05 7:41
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After gaining an upper hand in Mahakali treaty and similar treaties under the rule of Nepali Congress and Nepal Communists – at the expense of Nepalese people-, India was already fantasizing about similar benifits from Karnali River as well. HOWEVER, King Gyanendra strongly took his stance and outrightly disapproved of any treaty that can harm Nepal. This made India angry and that is why it manipulated the strings to create an alliance of Maoists and said political parties. It is understood that India has gained assurance from the alliance for a successful execution of the treaty regarding Karnali, and India is reciprocating by supporting the alliance. Still, King Gyanedra is standing solid as the mighty Himalays, and not giving away any ground to the Indians. India is not at all concerned about democracy. If it was, it would have voiced its concern about Bhutan (and the displaced Bhutanese), Sikkim, Pakistan, China to name a few. Source: - http://www.nepalnews.com.np/contents/nepaliweekly/nispakshya/2005/dec/dec06/mainnews.php#1
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III_II_I_II_III
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Posted on 12-07-05 1:27
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Let's not be proud of our king but let's be proud of these Indians who come and openly cuss at our king in public that too in their language Hindi. WOW MOTHER NEPAL...WHAT A DAY IN HISTORY WE ARE HAVING TO WITNESS. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-310143414616383538
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xx-nepal
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Posted on 12-07-05 2:12
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son of nepal..you are one hell of a hipocrite. i can safely say that because u prejudged me without knowing where i come from. when people prejudge others, they see the dark side of themselves. So with this i can say that you are one of the benefactors of a corrupt politicians. stupid man stupid. don't just look at the negative side of the King. Think how we can benefit from him.you r against the King because u simply don't like him. nevermind, i cannot explain anything to you, because have a set mind on this King. As for the education part, tell me one country that overthrown a King without being over 50% literate and prospered after that. Keep the dislike towards the King out of the way and think for Nepal. And by the way, u still haven't named a leader if not the King.
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xx-nepal
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Posted on 12-07-05 2:18
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as for Nepaali..King has placed himself on the line by intervening. He could have relaxed like King Birendra and watched the country go down. He would have had nothing to lose if he had stayed quiet. Do u think he needs money? He had more than Birendra before he became the King. People liked King Birendra because politicians liked him. And politicians control the citizens of Nepal. the question goes to u too. Who is ur preference over King G. Don't tell me democracy. Give me a name. I chose King G because he is the only option we have for a better Nepal
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son of Nepal
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Posted on 12-07-05 2:42
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Democracy doesn't revolve around one man, like in autocracy. It is a system, not a person. One man's rule will never be good even if he is god. I have said that democracy can evolve and improve itself but autocracy keeps on rotting.
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sarap
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Posted on 12-07-05 3:49
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so choose best from worsts .......
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Posted on 12-07-05 7:42
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Hello XX Nepal dude, "the question goes to u too. Who is ur preference over King G. Don't tell me democracy. Give me a name. I chose King G because he is the only option we have for a better Nepal" This is a very pathetic statement from you compared to the other ones you made. You are claiming that 50% population needs to be educated for the democracy to flourish.... I believe you are an educated person and you don't know what democracy means. You are wanting Son of Nepal to provide you a name but that is impossible. As Son-Of-Nepal mentioned, democracy is not a person but a system so if you don't like the one ruling the country, you can easily vote him off.... That is the power of democracy. As to you statement to give some time for people to get educated, lets democracy teach and make paople educated not this autocratic regime with the criminals and crooks... I really want to laugh at all the Rajabadis... what do you see on him and past decades of the royal ruling of the country... You are still not satisfied with them looting the country and make it the poorest country in the world?
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Bhoonte
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Posted on 12-07-05 7:55
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Thank god or rather thank the KIng that we Nepalese are not letting India get away with Karnali - unlike what happened to Mahakali and some other treaties during the rule of Nepali Congress and United Marxist Leninist. WE ARE PROUD OF OUR KING.
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ShriyaK
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Posted on 12-07-05 8:08
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You took the word right out of my mouth, xx-nepal. It could not have been said with more precision. I support you fully. If it was King Birendra, he would have simply smiled and parties would already have sold the whole country to India. But since King guanendra has been enthroned, he has done a good work to put the parties under discipline.
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Posted on 12-07-05 10:07
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XX Nepali, You proved my point--you stated "Do u think he needs money? He had more than Birendra before he became the King"---well..how did he get that much money? Yes, he has business interests in a variety of places but surely you are not so naive as to believe that it was his hard work and perservence that got him there--are you trying to claim that the money he earned was without use of influence and all the other resources that belonged to a Prince?..how is that any different from what you seem to hate about the Political parties? Some party leaders used what influence they had to make money and so did KG--where's the difference? As far as the supposed reform of education in Nepal is concerned, you claim that he has been working on educating the entire country..really?..how?..by helping increase the conflict and ensure that more of Nepal's children flee to India and the Gulf so that they become some one else's responsibility? As far as the security situation is concerned, you claim that we need security, therefore, the Monarchy--take time to look at the statistis of internally displaced Nepalese--there are more people fleeing their homes and more police and Army fleeing their posts because of the threats against their loves as well as that of their families--there is no security in the hills--so again, what are you talking about?! As far as this supposed sacrifice of intervention is concerned, I believe the universal understanding was that he did in fact have a choice. He could have acted like his brother and realized that the days of the Monarchy are over--it was not sacrifice on his part..it was the hallmark of a Meglomaniac.
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 12-07-05 1:19
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King G needs to go even if it means a total choas it is not already?
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Posted on 12-07-05 5:01
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XX-Nepal, its not about choosing G or GPK or MKN, its about choosing a system. Let me ask you the same question? What's ur preference over Democracy? Autocracy? What did G do while during Feb 01 turmoil? He shut down the phones, internet, airport. Is this the way to take his patriotic step in 21st century? And ShriyaK, what a bug do you have in your mind to put a hypothesis that late King Birendra would simply give consent to the leaders to handover Nepal to India? You all Bishnu Bhaktas are set to present India as a scare-crow against the democracy movement?H ad India supported King's move, you folks would regard India as the Messiah, wouldn't u? There is no king in small countries like Shrilanka, Maldives, Bangladesh etc and they have no fear of India annexing them. Its just a propaganda spread by King and his slaves that without monarchy, Nepal will cease to exist...Go to hell with your ideas.
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Posted on 12-07-05 5:25
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these people are not sponsored by India to demonstrate.
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Posted on 12-07-05 5:28
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These people are not mundre and kundales of Paras.
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Phatte
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Posted on 12-07-05 5:36
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Sala Mandale haru fere mantri bhayechan. YE MANDALE HARU TIMI HARU KO PALO AAENA YESH PALI?
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 12-07-05 6:19
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I choose democratic republic of nepal not just once in a while but once and for all !!!! haina ta once in a while ji????
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Posted on 12-07-05 6:47
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Bir Bhadra Bro, its not really necessary to have republican state if the king minds his own business...stops his adventures and expeditions.. The main issue is how to bring the maoist into mainstream. How to maintain peace in the country? The ego and the arrogance of the king is leading the nation towards a never-ending battle field...whether its maoists or Royal Soldiers...the blood they drain is Nepali.Why Paras is so special? His car got stoned by a provoked mass and the IGPs have to be assaulted? Some policemen have to loose their job?What about thousands of people who got killed during the past 12 years of war? He runs over the people with his car, opens fire in the discos, severly beats up own family friend ( Siddarth Rana). Do you think he is gonna guard Nepal's sovereignity? And do you know about Raj Bahadur Singh? He is involved in human trafficking. Whenever he comes to USA, he brings people with him for 16 lacs rupees.
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xx-nepal
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Posted on 12-07-05 7:02
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you guys wanna choose a system..that's cool. but even for that u need somebody or everybody. And by lookin at the happenings from 1990 till 2002, what the hell did democracy do to Nepal. u tell me i'm naive..look at urself guys..u don't even realise who gave birth to the maoists. It was your so called democratic politicians. Whatever the King has done till now is nowhere near a crime. He has the right to take over the country if it is in a chaos. It is in the constitution. He went by the book. Now since u guys are the products of those corrupt..shameless politicians, ur gonna tell me the law was wrong in the first place. don't give me bull about the villages in Nepal. I'm sure i know a lot more than most of the people in this site. Those people in villages trust no one but the King. They don't care or know anything about the politicians. U know why? that's because a remote village, say in the far west, has never benefitted from your democratic politicians. And yes they have benefitted from the King. But u wouldn't believe me right? well i don't give a shit..coz i have seen what your breed can do when in power. I'm so glad the constitution was written like that and that the army only reports to the King. If it wasn't for this smartness of the previous Kings, Nepal would have been under some corrupt a$$hole. As for somebody's statement above.."we would vote for the right person". that's a lotta bull right there. Your vote never counts towards a person in Nepal. You don't know who the hell is gonna be the PM. Your stupid vote always goes to the closest relative's party. we've had 13 PM's in 12 years of useless bad religion that i call democracy for Nepalese. Guys lets get the education system right. Until then i'll pray that Kings do remain in Nepal. this much for now..
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Posted on 12-07-05 8:18
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Alright patronizing thuldaai, please take a minute to listen to us bhaare-bhure people who know nothing about the villages in Nepal: And by lookin at the happenings from 1990 till 2002, what the hell did democracy do to Nepal. u tell me i'm naive..look at urself guys..u don't even realise who gave birth to the maoists. It was your so called democratic politicians. --> When the Maoist war started in 1996, the political parties had ruled the country, even that with mostly Panchayati bureacrats, for barely five years. And, let us be reminded, going for "saammebaad" has always been a communist slogan. True, after 1990, there was more freedom of speech that allowed the Maoists to rise, but don't you think that people speaking for themselves is a good thing (ok, I am not saying the Maoists are nice people, but you get my point!) Whatever the King has done till now is nowhere near a crime. People are being disappeared by the army that's directly under him, innocent villagers are being killed on suspicion of being a Maoist or a Maoist sympathizer. Now, tell me what's your definition of 'crime'? He has the right to take over the country if it is in a chaos. It is in the constitution. He went by the book. Pardon my jhurpatyaash knowledge of the constitution, but if he truely believes he went by the book, why, for example, the government attacking on the media, even at a time when the case against his atyaadhesh is pending in the supreme court? Now since u guys are the products of those corrupt..shameless politicians, ur gonna tell me the law was wrong in the first place. For you, anyone who opposed the king is a "product of those corrupt..shameless politicians", isn't s/he? May be the law was not wrong, but it was definitely not fair -- not fair to the people down the economic ladder, not fair to the teraibasis, not fair to the janajatis, not fair to women! don't give me bull about the villages in Nepal. I'm sure i know a lot more than most of the people in this site. Honest question for you: how many people do YOU know in this site? Those people in villages trust no one but the King. They don't care or know anything about the politicians. That's why people have to be *hired* -- literally -- when the king goes on his felicitation programs to self-promote himself! That's why even when the state machinery is all set to supress people's right to unarmed assembly, still there are thousands of people marching in the streets of Butwal, Pokhara, Biratnagar and New Baneswor! May be villagers don't care about the politicans, but recent events HAVE proved that people do care about freedom and democracy and, since you seem to know so many people in this site, I am sure you know that many people who support political parties in this site support them because they are the best hope for democracy we have! U know why? that's because a remote village, say in the far west, has never benefitted from your democratic politicians. And yes they have benefitted from the King. That's why, after 30 years of king's rule, the Maoist war still erupted in one of the most remote district in the country! And, that's why the people in the reason joined the Maoists, whose aim is to topple monarchy! And, of course, the Maoists, who, let's face is, mostly come from the poor families in the west, recently formed an alliance with the political parties. If it was the political parties, shouldn't they be forming an alliance with the king to, say, eliminate the political parties? But u wouldn't believe me right? well i don't give a shit That's the problem. If the governments, both under democracy and under the king, had given a "shit" to what the Maoists were saying long time ago, we would not have been where you are here. Keep up your ego - it's take all of us far! I'm so glad the constitution was written like that and that the army only reports to the King. Consitution can do no shit when people using it do not understand the spirit of it. Almost every person who was involved in writing the constitution -- from Biswanath Upadhyaya to Daman Nath and Nilambar Acharya -- is saying what the king did is not in line with the spirit of the constitution. If it wasn't for this smartness of the previous Kings, Nepal would have been under some corrupt a$$hole. We are under a corrupt a$$hole anyway -- he uses the RNAC plane causing thousands of loss to the nation; appoints ex-criminals and ferlizer mafias to ministerial positions...the list can go on!
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Posted on 12-07-05 8:55
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M.P...thanks for the info. whatever u have said against King can be doubled for the democratic leaders. How many people did Sher Bahadur bring along when he came to the US? Arju Deuba was beign paid by people to come along with them. So much for the RNAC plane King G took. what about lauda and chase air by the way. King hires people to support him...what about the protestors on the streets. They're all paid or brainwashed villagers in Kathmandu, from schools like Ascol, Saraswati, etc. This can go a long way if i put everything down..so let's leave it.. The point is, no one is perfect. We don't have anybody that is perfect in our option. Among the remaining options, I favor King G. That's been my point all along. I still stand for education and disciplined rule till 50% or more Nepalese are educated. p.s. if i can't label u as the products of the corrupt politicians, how can u call me King's slave?
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Posted on 12-07-05 8:59
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one more thing..the politicians did give birth to the maoists. Dr. Bhattarai was thrown out of Singha Durbar by the politicians, not King Birendra (he didn't interfere in politics during that period). That's when he went underground untill he came up with a strong opposition.
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