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Jawala
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Posted on 12-19-06 10:35
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- He used all his energy to damage political carrier of KP Bhattarai in early nineties. - He always had bitter relation with the leader like Ganesh Man. - Congress Party splitted into two group in his leadership - He was doing alright last two three or so after Gynendra kicked his butt badly, now again he is trying to play dirty politics sidelining Maoist and voilating the understanding with them. I am convienced nature and atitude of a person does not change overnight. If he continues to work this way it will only help Maoist to get people's support and damage culture of politics of understanding in Nepal.
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. शैलजा (शाही + लज्जा) लाई त आछ्छी पो दिनु पर्दछ त । .
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Posted on 12-19-06 6:22
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. श ल ल जा फेरी फर्की शै ल जा.. .
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A thread on the same subject from Nepal Democracy Forum (nepaldemocracy google group). Enjoy ! Nepe **** **** **** **** **** **** From: X To: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:14 PM Subject: [ND] ambasador nominations kathmandu was shut down once again today by the maoists over ambassadorial nominations. Here are my thoughts on this latest duel. I think it was silly and petty for the 7 parties to nominate ambassadors without consulting the maoists. the SPA had accumulated some public goodwill, but this will set them back in the public estimation because this move reveals their less noble side all over again. Just when the maoists were beginning to feel like insiders in statecraft, this move reminds them rudely that they are still outsiders. If the maoists continue to feel like outsiders, they will behave like outsiders in my calculation. Hence, handing them the responsibility of coming up with good consensus-based ambassador nominations, along with SPA, would have confirmed to the maoists cadre that they were now on the way to becoming insiders. this would have helped in exacting more responsible behavior from them. I agree with no maoists in government until arms management receives more teeth and bite. But in the meantime, it would have been a token of good faith for future negotiations if the SPA had publicly consulted with the maoists about these nominations to important countries. I have a feeling the maoists are going to make the SPA eat their hats over this. my dui futti, X **** **** **** **** **** **** From: Y To: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: [ND] Re: ambasador nominations Dear X, Because the eight parties of Nepal signed several agreements and the interim constitution despite enormous challenges in hammering out differences and finding common ground on various contentious issues, I mentioned in one of my recent articles that the “politics of consensus-building is slowly emerging in Nepal.†However, the nomination of ambassadors was quite contrary to my reading. As we all know, so far the promise of giving them a stake in the political process has helped to normalize the Maoists on the issues of arms management. So, I think that the effective arms management and the improvement in the security situation at the grassroots level cannot be ensured unless the Maoists feel that they are now the part of the state and no outsiders anymore. One of the reasons why the Maoists are not allowing the destroyed/moved police posts to be reestablished is that they argue that they are not yet the part of the new regime and the current government can only restore the police posts only after they join the interim government and all of their “JANA SARKARS†are dissolved. I think there are two parts of the problem. The appointment in vacant ambassadorial posts was a long-overdue task. The government shouldn’t have made a mistake delaying it to the date. Second, I agree with XJee that the government could and should have discussed the issue with the Maoists because the interim constitution has just been signed by the eight parties and is ready now for promulgation and the Maoists are eagerly waiting to join the government and be a part of new Nepal. The Maoists’ eagerness to join the government or their sense of belonging to the new Nepal was very obvious when the Maoists recently said that the alternative mechanism for arms management should be explored in order to expedite the interim government formation process. Warm regads, Y **** **** **** **** **** **** From: Z To: "nepal democracy" Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: [ND] Re: ambasador nominations The mandate for this "unelected" body of government is to deliver peace process, not get bogged down in petty indulgence. Issue with GPK has always been his failure to deliver at most critical of times. We put him on a pedestal, and look at what he does... Like the saying goes "Kukur ko puuchhar barha barsha dungro ma rakhepani jasto ko testai... " SPA alliance has plenty of petty politicians, what it still lacks is statesmen/women. Regards, - Z **** **** **** **** **** **** From: "Deepak Khadka" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: [ND] Re: ambasador nominations Friends, I disagree with all who are condemning the government for the appointments of the ambassadors [ wait, wait ... let me finish ], but not the ambassadors themselves who are accepting the posts in full awareness of the situation. If I have to choose between a FOOLISH giver and a GREEDY taker, I'll choose the former. But the point is, why our dear Nepal so terribly lacks intellectuals with integrity, principle and idealism. Among the 14 of these brightest Nepalis (Dr Suresh Chalise, Dr Navin Prakash Jung Shah, Bhagirath Basnet, Tanka Karki, Dinesh Bhattarai, Pramesh Hamal, Surya Kiran Gurung, Pradeep Khatiwada, Ganesh Yonjan, Hamid Ansari, Suryanath Mishra, Guna Laxmi B.K, Bal Bahadur Kuwar and Sailaja Acharya), there wasn't a single wise one to refuse the offer for greater cause of giving continuity to a culture of political consensus so painfully and slowly emerging ! Dhikkar ! And Sailaja Acharya giving her negative role in Jana-Andolan was a tasteless choice at this point of time, in my not so humble opinion. Deepak **** **** **** **** **** **** From: Z To: "nepal democracy" Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: [ND] Re: ambasador nominations Deepak Ji, How about the notion that the "greedy" takers may have lobbied the "foolish" to act even more foolish? I don't think all these wonderful names appeared in Giraja's "topi" as if by magic. So these people must have lobbied for it - this is purely my speculation. I do agree that all these nominees are extremely talented people, and valuable members of the civil society. Unfortunately, our civil society always seems too eager to drop its guard for petty personal gain. I wish these people would realize that their ambassadorship will be a personal gain for few years, but what they can contribute collectively today to form a stable, peaceful "Himalayan Republic of Nepal" will be a gift to the Nepalese people for ever. I have no doubt that most of the people on the list will make great ambassadors, but for now timing is everything. Regards, -Z **** **** **** **** **** **** From: A To: "nepal democracy" Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: [ND] Re: ambasador nominations Hi: I hate to be defending one of my relatives here, a very close relative in deed, but I will be very happy if Dipak can explain why 1. He thinks Dr Dinesh Bhattarai is not wise, and he terribly lacks integrity, principle and idealism (this is same for Surya Kiran Gurung and Ganesh Yonjan) 2. And why Zji thinks he(they) must have lobbied for it. How good are we when we lump everybody at the same place? There are three bureaucrats in the list, lifelong civil servant. Can civil servants say 'no' when government says 'go to this place'? What kind of govt will we have then? what are these people supposed to say, 'no. send a maoist trade union leader who has killed xxx souls in the past so that we will have peace in our country?' == The Maoists are just asking for bhag-banda. Is it good to close the valley for this small bhag-banda question? It is such a childish behavior. I know that there are a lot of appointments that are galling. Girija Koirala is not the sole person responsible in these appointments, both UML/NC have received their fair share in these appointments. But to call for valley bandh in this small stuffs foreshadows a lot more trouble to come. == The parties who have given us dream of 'new nepal' should be more liberal, and broadminded. If I were Girijababu, I would give all the ambassadorial positions to the Maoists. All. The ambassadors are not very powerful and influential people anyway. **** **** **** **** **** **** From: "Deepak Khadka" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: [ND] Re: ambasador nominations A, If you are defending certain individuals and think that that's the whole point, then you are missing the point. As I think the point has been well explained in my, Z-jee's and other poster's messages, repetition will be redundant. That said, I agree with you that the Maoists should not have resorted to "Banda". Nepali people are long waiting to see the end of this curse called "Banda". A culture of negotiation and political consensus is what was supposed to cure this national disease from it's root. Unfortunately, Both NC/UML and the Maoists tottered this time. And our hopeful ambassadors did not help either. That exactly was the point I and Diwas-jee were making earlier. Deepak **** **** **** **** **** ****
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Posted on 12-20-06 12:24
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Although I agree with Maoists in their protests, I diasgree in the means of protests. Their protests should have been against Girija and his cabinet and not against the Aam Nepali. They should have cordoned off Baluwatar and Singha Durbar only not let the ministers enter their ministry until the decision was overturned.
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Posted on 12-20-06 2:48
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Quoting: गिरिजाले साईकल दाजुलाइ दिन त दिएछ तर कच्याक्-कुचुक पारेर मात्र ।हो, अहिले यस्तै भैरहेको छ ।यिनले देशलाई कच्याक्-कुचुक नपारी कहाँ अरुको जिम्मा लगाउछन र ? तिम्रै ग्यानेन्द्रले अनि ऊस्का परिवारले देश रम्रो बनाका थिए अहिले सम्म जिन्दगी देशको लागी दियेर, यत्रो माअोबादी लाई ठाऊमा कस्को नेत्त्रित्वले ल्याको हो? ल ठिकै छ, जिन्दगी गाली खाको मान्छे हो, तर, सानो सानो कुरा मा किन issue बनाउने?? ambassador नै त हो, त्यो त राजा ले पानि बनाको थियो नि!!! पछि चुनाब जित्यो भने, माअोबादिले पनि बनाउन सक्छ, पहिले सत्तामा चुनाब जितेर आउनु पर्यो...हिजो सम्म बन्दुक बोकेर जन्ता मार्ने माअोबादि, आज नेपाल लाई represent गर्ने मान्छे चुन्ने??? doesn't make sense, जब सम्म नेपाली जनताले भोट दियेर माओबदिलाई त्यो right दिन्छ। Girija has that RIGHT, because, he has been elected... सबै चुनाब जित्या छ, सबै नेपाली ले भोट दिया हो Don't like whats going on, in Nepal??? Are you concerned??? Well then, GET INVOLVED!! Yaha गाली गरेर मात्र हुदैन I did not see you Guys in New York protest, I did not see you guys in DC protest... against Gyanendra...neither did I see you guys fighting with NEPAL POLICE and ARMY in Nepal.... Some of you guys... i read your comments against the protest... and against girija... well, and what do you guys have to say on that??? and now, he gets maoists on track... you guys don't write against MAOISTS, who are violating HUMAN RIGHTS THINGIE in Kathmandu... not letting ppl do their shit.. by organizing NEPAL BAND...... and you convict GIRIJA for all this shit.... MAOISTS... they're yet to win election.. and get to the position... and they can appoint their ambassadors..... Interim govt. thingie?? well they just got into this मेलमिलाप
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साइबरहर्के, तिमी गिरिजाको समर्थक हौ भन्दैमा गिरिजाको आलोचना गर्ने जती सबै ज्ञानेन्द्रको टट्टू हुंदैनन के । रह्यो गिरिजा कत्तिको महान हुन भनेर । वास्तवमा भन्ने हो भने जनआन्दोलन २०४६ को उपलब्धिलाई भाताङ्भुतुङ पार्ने, प्रजातन्त्रको खिल्ली उडाउने र राजालाई प्रजातन्त्रको घाँटी निमोठने वाताबरण सिर्जना गरी दिने नै गिरिजा प्र कोईराला हुन ।आफ्नो नीती र कार्यक्रम आफ्नै पार्टीका सांसदहरुले फेल गराईदिएपछि, राजिनामा दिने नैतीकता नदेखाई संसद भंग गरी देशलाई मध्यावधी चुनावमा धकेल्ने यिनै कथित महान नेता हुन । मध्यावधी चुनावमा बहुमत गुमाइसकेपछि, एमालेलाई ९ महीना पनि सरकार चलाऊन नदिइकन पूर्व पञ्चहरुको पार्टी राप्रपा को साझेदारीमा सरकार बनाई घृणीत बिकृति भित्र्याउने यिनै हुन ।त्यती मात्र हो र, आफ्नै पार्टीका शेर बहादुर प्रम भएको यिनले कहाँ देख्न सकेर्!२ जना आफ्ना पक्षधरलाई विश्वासको मत लिने बेलामा अनुपस्थित गराई शेर बहादुर लाई प्रम बाट हटाई हाले ।यिनले न गणेश मान जस्ता नेताको मान राख्न सक्ए, न कृष्ण प्रसाद भट्टराईलाई टिक्न दिए । आफु प्रम भएको बेलामा माओबदीलाई किलो २ शेरा अपरेशन गरेकै हुन । प्रजातन्त्रको बिरुद्ध माओबादीलाई अप्रत्यक्ष्य उपयोग गर्ने राजाको निती अनुरुप्, सेनालाई गिरिजाले चाहेजस्तो चलाऊन नसके पछि बल्ल यिनले राजीनामा दिए ।त्यसपछि प्रम भएका शेर बहादुरलाइ यिनले कहिले सहयोग गरेन, जसरि हुन्छ छिर्की हानेर लडाउन खोजे । गिरिजा कम्यिनिस्ट फोबिया भएका मान्छे हुन । राजाले घांस् हाल्न छोडेपछि, भित्तैसम्म पुर्याएर राजाले अंचेड्न खोजेपछि बामपन्थीसँग न मिली सुकै थिएन । तैपनि संबिधान सभाको पक्षमा बोल्ने नरहरि आचार्यलाई यिनले स्पष्टिकरण लिए । गणतन्त्रको नारा बोक्ने गगन थापा, नरहरि आचार्यलाई नै उल्टो राजाबादीको आरोप लगाई राजाको समर्थन आफुले लिन खोजे । यता माओबादीसँग कार्यगत एकता हुने चांजोपंजो भैरहेको थियो, उत यिनी राजालाई के भन्थे भने, सरकार, दल र माओबादी मिल्ने स्थिती आउन दिन भ्एन । दल र माओबादी मिलेमा ठुलो अनिष्ठ हुनेछ । तर सिल्ली राजाले त्यो कुरो के बुझ्ने र, त्यो गिरिजाले नचाहेको अनिष्ठ भैहाल्यो र माओबादीको एमाले प्रतिको पूर्वाग्रही सोचको कारणले प्रम को चिट्ठा गिरिजालाई परिहाल्यो ।गिरिजाले भूत्रो नेतृत गरेका हुन र ? तीनऐ भांजी शैलजा कम्युनिस्ट सँगको को अप्राकृतिक गठबन्धन हुँदैन भनेर लास्टै गर्दै थिइन्, तिनैलाई भारतको राजदूत को लागि मामाले भिटो प्रयोग गरेर सिफारिश गरिहाले । अब अहिले, माओबादी हिंसा छोडेर शान्तिपूर्ण राजनीतिमा आउन लागेको बेला उनिहरुलाइ समेत विश्वासमा लिएर काम गर्नु पर्ने बेलामा, अहिलेसम्म नगर्नु परेको राजदूत नियुक्ती सिफारिश अहिले किन गर्न पर्यो ? माओबादीहरुलाई फेरी उत्तेजित तुल्याएर जंगलनै फर्काउने यिन को शुर त होइन ?
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आफ्नो आफ्नो बिश्लेषण मा cyber harkeरा Once awhile ठिकै छन । एउटा सिक्काको दुई पातो हुन । गिरिजा को बिरोधमा त्यती साह्रो बिष वमन गरिहाल्नु पनि पर्दैन्, गिरिजाले खराब काम मात्र गरेको छैन, पाप जती जनआन्दोलन भाग २ को सफलताको धारो धोइ सके । अनि गिरिजाको समर्थन मा पनि अभिनन्दन र भजन गाउनु आबश्यक छैन ।थुप्रो गल्तिहारउ गरेकाछन । जहाँ सम्म राजदूत नियुक्ती र बिरोधको कुरो छ, ब्यक्तिगत रुपमा मैले बुझे सम्म गिरिजा बाजे ले प्रचन्डेसङ्ग सल्लाह नै न गरिकन निर्णय भयो भन्ने कुरो चाँही मन्दिन । नजिक बाट हेर्ने , चिन्ने र बिश्लेषण गर्ने हर कोही लाइ थाहा छ, गिरिजा ले जस्तो सानो कुरामा पनि प्रचन्डे सँग सल्लहा सहमती लिने गरेको छ( गिरिजको यो बानी ले माकुने लगयत अन्य बाम पार्टी हरु गुर्र्र्र्र गुर्र्र्र्र छन्) । उपत्यका बन्द आदी इत्यदि कर्मा काण्ड हरु कहीं दुबै पार्टीका अशन्तोष लोभि पापिहरु लाई किनरा लगाउने खेल मात्र त होइन ? भान्जी नानी लाई राजदूत बनाउनै पर्ने पारीवारीक बाध्यता बाट छुट्कारा पाउने उत्तम उपाय नि हुन सक्छ । अब यत्रो बिरोध भा को बेला, राजदूत बनाउछु भन्दा नि मिलेन भनेर भान्जीलाई लालिपप खुआउने चाल किन न होला र ? त्यसरि नै यही बहानामा अन्तरिम संबिधान लागु गर्न दवाब सिर्जना गरे जस्तो गरेर छिट्टै संबिधान लागु गराउने मिलेमतोको राजनिती नहोला भन्न सक्इन्न । स्वदेशी र बिदेशी सक्ती केन्द्र हरु अन्तरिम संबिधान लाइ जसरि नि अल्झाइरहने दाउपेच गरी राख्या बेला यो भन्दा उत्तम उपाय के होला र ? नेपाल को राजनीतिमा सधैं हात्तीको दाँतको कथा हुन्छन । अनेक ग्रायन्ड दिजाइन हुन्छन । बिचरा ८६ बर्ष को हवल्दार बुढोले धन्न देश घिसारी रहेछ ।
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ओहो, राहुलभाइ, तपाईंको अनुमान त गजब छ नि, तपाईंको बिचारमा भान्जीलाई सिधै नो भन्न नसकेर प्रचन्डलाई उचालेका रे ? यत्रो बिधी चैं पक्कै होइन ।तपाईंले सोचे जतिको जनता मुर्ख चांही छैनन ।त्यसो भए यती ठुलो नाटक त्यही पनि नेपाल बन्द जस्तो महँगो मुल्यमा ? धन्न ८६ वर्ष का बुढाले देश घिसारीरहेको छ-त्यसो चांही होइन, बरु भन्नु न, धन्न बुढाले मरेको सिनु राजतन्त्र लाई घिसारीरहेको छ, उनि नभएका भए, बामेहरुले मसान घाट पुर्याइसक्थे ।
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वा वा क्या गजब को कुरो सुनाउनु भयो, बामे ले राजतन्त्र मशान मा पुर्याउने रे , हसायो, बेस्सारी हसायो । त्यसैले त मैले भने नि नेपाल को राजनीति हात्तीको दाँत जस्तो भनेर । जस्ले चारको सँग राजतन्त्र को बिरोध गर्छन नि तेही राजतन्त्रको डोले, ढोके, हुक्के , बगैंछे सबै हुन । राजा महेन्द्र र दामोदर सम्शेर मिलेर कम्युनिष्ट पालेको, हुर्काएको, फुर्काएको हो कि होइन भनेर केशर जङ्ग रायमाझी, कमल राक्ज रेग्मी आदी इत्यदि लाइ सोध्नुस्, १७ साल पछि प्रजातन्त्रबादी लाइ कसरी सखाप पार्न सक्इन्छ भनेर कम्युनिष्ट पोसेको ईतिहास साक्षी छ । धेरै टाढा किन जानु, बिरेन्द्र को बंश सखाप भएको २ दिन मा डा बाबुराम भट्टराइ को कान्तिपुरम्मा छपिएक लेख पढ्नु भएन ? राजा सँग कार्यगत एकता थ्यो रे ? त्य भनेको राजतन्त्र लाई आर्यघाट पुर्याउने भनेको हो ? मित्र ले मलाई बुझाई दिनुस् । गिरिजालए कहिलेइ राजतन्त्र बोक्दैन, नेपाली ली कति छिटो घट्ना हरु बिर्सिन्छ । हलेरी मा मैओबादिको अधिबेशन भाई रहंदा नेपाल सेनाको कमाण्डो ले घेरी सक्दा जाइ लाग्न आदेश दिने गिरिजा चोर कि सेना फर्कएरा आफ्नै सन्तान हुन भन्ने राजा चोर ? कस्ले राजतन्त्रको सिनो बोकेको छ, कस्ले राजतन्त्रकै बिंडो थामेको छ, बिचारनिय छ ।
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More (speculation) from Nepal Democracy Forum... From: V To: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: [ND] Re: ambasador nominations Why was there a rush for ambassador appointments without consulting Maoists? I lay out my theory below. Premise of the theory: For pressuring King G to relinquish his power over the state during Janandolan II, GPK and India had given words that they would do their best to help retain monarchy in Nepal in the ceremonial role at least. Objective Conditions: 1. Shailaja Acharya is on record in favor of having monarchy in Nepal (in exactly what form is ambiguous). 2. Cabinet decision on ambassador appointments followed immediately after Pranab Mukherjee's Kathmandu visit. 3. Pranab Mukherjee did not meet any Maoist leader during his visit. So, here the theory goes: The cabinet decision was rushed through without Maoist consultation because of three reasons: 1. Maoists would not have agreed to Shailaja's appointment to India, 2. Shailaja is the safest nominee as ambassador to India and ideologically predisposed best conduit of communication between GPK and India in terms of confidence she would carry of both GPK and India in the matters of role of monarchy in Nepal, and 3. all other appointments, though deserved, were made with the hope that so many good appointments will help crowd out the sensitivity of Shailaja appointment. V ____________________
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Posted on 12-20-06 3:23
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Loote wrote: >The question should be: > >why is girija sooooo 'consistent' ? :P > >LooTe Could not agree more. Nepe
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अरे राहुलभाइ, भगौडाहरुको नाम किन लिनु हुन्छ! तुलसी गिरी, परशुनारायण, प्रकाश कोइराला जस्ता हरुको कुनै पार्टिमा कहाँ कमि छ । दरबारले हरेक पार्टिहरुमा घुसपेठ गराउन खोज्नु त उनीहरुको धर्म नै हो नि । दरबार र माओबादी दुबैले अप्रत्यक्षरुपमा प्रजातन्त्रको बिरुद्धमा एकले अर्कालाई उपयोग गरेको पनि हो । माओबादीले पनि प्रहरिका पिउसा सिपाहीलाई मात्र हान्ने र सेनालाई नछुने,सेनाले पनि माओबादीका गुरिल्लासँग तर्केर हिंड्ने गरेकै हो ।युद्धको मैदानमा युद्धको घेरालाई सांघुरो पार्दै लागिन्छ । उनीहरुको रणनितिनै यही हो ।गिरिजा बाबुले माओबादीलाई राजनीतिको मुलधारामा ल्याउनु भयो भनेर केही साथीहरु खोक्नु हुन्छ-त्यो कुरो उहांले होलेरिमा सेना परिचालन गर्न खोजेबाट नै प्रष्ट हुन्छ कि उहां माओबादीहरुलाई निमिट्यान्न पार्न चाहनुहुन्थ्यो वा मूलधारामा ल्याउन चाहनुहुन्थ्यो । दल र माओबादीलाई एकैठाउंमा आउन पर्ने स्थिती त मूर्ख राजाले पारीदिए नि ।नत्र कम्युनिस्ट संग दूरी राख्ने तर राजासँग घाँटी जोडने त कांग्रेसी निती नै हो नि । बिपी कोइरालाले राजाको र मेरो घांटी जोडीएको छ भनेको बाट नै यो साबित हुन्छ । २०४६ सालको आन्दोलन भन्दा अघिको कुरा, २ वटा शर्तमा कांग्रेस पंचायती चुनावमा होमिन तयार थियो । शर्त के भने, सबै काङ्रेसी उम्मेद्वारले एउटै चुनाव चिन्ह पाउनुपर्ने, अनि अर्को कुनै पंचायती वर्गिय संगठनको सदस्य नहुने, जबकी त्यतिखेर पंचायती चुनावमा भाग लिन वर्गिय संगठनको सदस्य हुन अनिवार्य थियो । तर राजा बिरेन्द्रले यती कुरा पनि मानी दिएन र २०४६ सालको आन्दोलन भयो । अब आयो गिरिजाले राजतन्त्र बोक्छ कि बोक्दैन भन्ने कुरो । नरहरि आचार्यले संबिधान सभा र गणतन्त्रको कुरा गर्दा, पार्टीमा स्पष्टिकरण सोधिएको, गगन थापा, गुरु प्रसाद घिमिरे हरुलाई उल्टै राजाबादी भएको आरोप लगाईएको, बामहरुको कुरो छोडिदिउँ, प्रजातान्त्रिक कांग्रेसले समेत गणतन्त्रको कुरा ल्याईसक्दा, गिरिजा भने राजालाई स्पेस् दिन पर्छ भनेर लागेको, अरुहरु राष्ट्रध्यक्षा कि प्रम कि सभामुख हुन पर्छ भनेर लाग्द गिरिजा भने एक्लो त्यस्को बिपक्षमा भएको, जनमत संग्रह जस्तो जनताको प्रत्यक्ष मत बाट राजतन्त्रको भबिस्यको फैसला हुनसक्नेमा संबिधान सभाको घुमाउरो बाटो रोजेको, अब तपाईंनै भन्नुस् । वास्तवमा भन्ने हो भने राजतन्त्रको भबिस्यको फैसला गर्न न जनमत संग्रह नै चाहिन्छ, न संबिधानसभाको चुनाव, सात दल र माओबादीहरु को संयुक्त निर्णयबाट आज भने अझै भोली भने भोली नै सम्भव छ । राजतन्त्र कुनै पनि अवस्थामा रहनु भनेको प्रजातन्त्रको लागि खतरा हो । यो घाइते मात्र भएको छ, यसले तत्काल आक्रमण गर्न नसक्ला तर भविस्यमा जरुर गर्ने छ र त्यसको लागि पृष्ठभुमी हाम्रै नेताहरुले तयार पारीदिने छन ।
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Posted on 12-20-06 9:20
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दसैं को बेला वासिङ्टन डिसी घुम्दै थीए े। संसार को राजधानी बाट प्रकाशीत हुने नेपाली पत्रीका को पत्रकार लाई केही गुह्हे कुरा था होला भने अनुमान् गरी सोधे "America को लागी नेपली राजदूत को होला त? हल्ला के छ?" अनी जवाफ पाए "मुरारी राज शर्मा" े अनी म खाली मुसु मुसु हासे।
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Posted on 12-20-06 11:20
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Loote i agree with you ...Grija is consistent ...I was wondering ..why Grija is so flexible towards commies ...After all Girija showed his true colors...He HATEs commies ..Great Going Girija...Somebody needs to kick these commies out of the world ....And one from Texas to Maoland :P hehe
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Posted on 12-21-06 11:01
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girija is not giving in to all maoist demands which i think i a good approach. maoists are not in the government yet, so i don't see how can they have any opinion about political apointees. i can see other parties within the government but maoist are out of the central government although, i must say they run a parallel government outside the capital. girija's socialist party is a liberal alternative to the communists and hardliners like maoists. yeah girija has done a lot of politics and probably has taken an ill advice or two.. this time around, for someone who has devoted his life to politics. he probably wants to get it right this time and go out with a bang. time will only tell...forget girija, but give this peace process a chance.
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live-wire wrote: > girija's socialist party is a liberal alternative to >the communists and hardliners like maoists. I am of the opinion that NC and the Left of Nepal got mistaken identities. Below is an excerpt from one of my postings to Nepal Democracy Forum (nepaldemocracy google group) some two months ago. [The members of the group can access the full posting here: http://groups.google.com/group/nepaldemocracy/msg/057d14b8db737dbd?hl=en ] For others, here is an excerpt: 1) The Left of Nepal was and is MORE pro-democracy and MORE democratic than NC. NC always was and still is for sharing the power with the King. The Left was for total power to the people. Nothing more, nothing less. 2) The Left in Nepal has never planned to actually establish a totalitarian regime (that is, with NC banned) in Nepal. Nowhere and nowhen have they envision a regime with bourgeois democratic parties banned. Their idea of communism is limited to their flag, trademark and rhetoric here and there. It isn't in their program planned to implement. Look at it this way. Communism/Marxism to them is what evangelical Christianity is to George Bush. The reasoning/likelihood of Nepali Left trying to establish a communist state in Nepal is lesser than President Bush trying to establish a 'kingdom of God' in the USA. Marxism as a science to Nepali Left is as reliable as 'In God We Trust' of the American establishment. The irony of political identity in Nepal is that NC got a face of democracy but a heart of submission to the monarchy and the Left got a face of a communist but a heart of total democracy. That reminds me a short moral story by Khalil Gibran I had read a long time ago (I am not sure about the accuracy). The story was that one day the 'beauty' and the 'ugliness' went to take a bath in a river together. The 'ugliness' came out of the river while the 'beauty' was still enjoying the bath and went away putting on the dress of the 'beauty'. When the 'beauty' came out of the river and did not find her dress, she put on what was left there- the dress of 'ugliness'. Since then they are roaming on the earth in the same dress. There isn't a bath-taking event for analogy, however, NC and the Left in Nepal have ironical identities. This probably is not going to last long. Recent history is bringing everybody closer to the truth. It's another fact that some diaspora elites still might choose to keep their anti-Left disposition and rhetoric which I would call "acting more American than the Americans", for it's perceived adaptive value in the US soil. _________________________
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Posted on 12-24-06 4:47
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so ne23pe, are u saying leftist parties are more democratic than NC? tara leftist parties haru dherai chan. eg, UML and maoists to name two. i don't really agree with the article that NC are less democratic and they are sharing power with the king. as far as i am concerned, any party that supresses the freedom of expressing ideas or beliefs, be it political or religious, is less "democratic." Many left parties these days are censoring those who support the king. yo ta democratic bhayenani. ideal democracy ma sabai idea lai field ma aaune mouka hunu paryo, be it ideas of collectivity or monarchy. then let the people decide. king got thrown out because he was seen to be too autocratic supressing other people and essentially their ideas. aaba now, if we end up using unfair means to supress other ideas that we don't agree and call our system democratic, tyo ali hypocritical bhayo. haina ra?
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Posted on 12-24-06 6:59
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I agree 100% with you, Live_wire.
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Lime wire ...this is the tragedy of Nation ...People wants loktantra and democracy , freedom of expression ..and what not ...but most of the people really don't believe in it or want it. Carrying a flag and cursing another one is easy to do ...but practicing true democracy is hard ...nepalese are not ready for one and they don't deserve a democracy .BIggest reason is they don't want it ...U SHOULD WANT IT!WANT IT REAL BAD!!
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There you go.... exactly that's what I think. Interesting, loktantra is not even eanted by so called leaders, Prachanda, Baburam, Girija, Madhav, and so on.... mero goru ko barhai takka type of these faggots.
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