Has anybody been successful in contacting ktm ?
Does anybody how long the phone line will be out ?

then finally had the soverignty to the people. = hand back tghe soverignty to the people

hamro swati jee ta aba abasyanai bhitra bhitra ko kura thaha raicha... aba kura bahira aya pachee ta jaslay jay bhanday panee bho nee....mailay afailay raja sanga kura garya thiya bhanday panee bho. aba arko palee chahee pahila laykhau anee kura garoola swati jee...

Jai Desh Jai Naresh

Jai Nepal

I know am being a laughingstock here rite now. I am not going to say that i have chit chat with KG but just want to let ya know that my Boss she keeps on encouraging me to build Nepal Inetrest Grp. here in US. But i know my capability rite now so its out of reach for me now. I am just going to school, working and doing some social service but may be i will thik about that someday. Iff happens that than i dunno about others my first request to join hands will be ISO. Freak. and NEPE

swaati thapa ji,

I wa sjust curious. I was not being sarcastic. Thanks for your generosity to include me in your Nepali-interests group in the US, but I am not in the US! "-(

sorry its not Nepal interest grp its Nepal Caucas like Jewish Caucas which exercise in Capitol hill. I know IF bro u are not in US but ur we need ur inputs for that u don't have to be in USA. Video confrencing heard of that hoina.

Ok. Perhaps you did have inside information, but don't you think if, arrogant KG REALLY wanted, he could, in fact get those mofo maoist participants, and kick their arse.

I am not doubting your belief, instead i am analyzing, that given the vastitude of such act, did KG actually tried and 'failed' to get those maoist participant? That too when they were making public appearances in places such as Radisson (Hotel), and the likes.

"Even KG sacking Deuba i came to knew from my Boss hours b4 it came in news."

--> When? The first in the series or the recent one.

Looks like u are actively updated on 'ongoing' incidents eventhough you are so far off. And is your boss fall in to the category of diaspora of nepali politicians? Just curious, since he seems to have a efficient radar to keep track of episodes on the 'groud zero'.

Indeed it is true that KG had a discussion a night before he took such a drastic/radical measure, thus the word of mouth, perhaps travel faster than one may posit. Having a little bit of inside information on the active side of the present scenario, I, like many of us, had conjectured this incident or accident (for few). Thus, it was no suprise.

Still it beats me HOW KG failed to act on his wishes? If indeed he unfeignedly did wish so.

Any opinion/facts/hearsay about it?
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Tukhu, thanks for the information. Perhaps i shall get more de facto information.

But then, what is there to know, when we all know what everyone knows and no one knows what ONE man envisages.

Any genuine information will be appreciated.
IndisGuise:)

Isolated Freak - I will remain a skeptic till I see freedom of speech restored. Your assertion that the country is not ready for democracy doesn't hold much water because previous attempts to make a country fit for democracy by imposing a dictatorship have produced such shining examples of democracy as the Thid Reich, Mao's China, Saddam's Iraq only to name a few.

If we can agree to disagree, can you give us any updates on the ground situation? What is running through the grapevine in Kathmandu - as you can probably tell many people are really starved for information from Nepal beyond what Google throws up.(Nepal News, Kantipur and Nepali times were all down when I last checked)

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"Honey, I hit you because I love you"

Indeed it is true that KG had a discussion a night before he took such a drastic/radical measure, thus the word of mouth, perhaps travel faster than one may posit. Having a little bit of inside information on the active side of the present scenario, I, like many of us, had conjectured this incident or accident (for few). Thus, it was no suprise.

It was well known months b4 when KG had a dinner with Deuba family. It was only time my boss was saying. She said Deuba is given time to work out. Well as for my boss are u trying to imply that she is some nepali politician than u are wrong. she is in a position where she have to work regarding south asia. what more i have to say than that? well this will be my last posting cuz i do not want to talk where and for whom i work for. But indeed i will be watching SAJHA as a silent observer but i will come forward on given right condition and definitely ask some of that sajhaities to join hands to form Nepal caucas in USA and beliebe me it won;t be like ANA.

solated Freak - I will remain a skeptic till I see freedom of speech restored. Your assertion that the country is not ready for democracy doesn't hold much water because previous attempts to make a country fit for democracy by imposing a dictatorship have produced such shining examples of democracy as the Thid Reich, Mao's China, Saddam's Iraq only to name a...


Saddam, Stalin, Hitler and Mao did not believe in liberal democarcy. And they certainly did not want to evolve into a liberal democracy. They ahd their own prefered alternative-fascism in the case of Hitler; Communist utopia in the case of Stalin and Mao; and a Pan-Arabian Nationalism against America and the West in the case od Saddam.

Also, I am saying, its better for a phase wise democratic transition than an all out. If you look at the nations with successful democracies, they are the ones who made a phase-wise transition by first refornming thgeir economies, then promoting a rule of law regime and constitutionalism, achieving a consensus among the players involved, bridingigg the difefrences in the population.. and when they made a transition, they became sucessful democracies.. South Korea, Taiwan, Chile..Singapore, Morocco are preparing for demorcatic transitions.. so, first have the institutions in place, then go for an all out democracy.

swati thapa,

i am impressed.

There is lots of International politics involved here now. Some of the developement of the past.

1. Congress I coming to power in India. (Remember the problems between late King Birendra and Late Rajiv Gandi)
2. King G's cancelled trip to India , two times.
3. Closure of Tibetian center in Kathmandu a couple of days ago(probably to make China happy).
4. Sacking of Government by king G.
5. India's strong words for the sacking of government.
6. China said it is Nepal's internal matter.

Clearly looks like King G is shifting towards China. It is going to be major tossup for the power between the regional superpowers as well as the lone superpower USA. There might be lots of foreign power struggles in the country. It may even involve military preemptive strike in the country.

This is leading to a very dangerous road now.

Isolated Freak - LOL, you can't build democratic institutions without democracy. Free press, representative rulers, independent judiciary *are* institutions of democracy and they need a democratic environment to nurture them. If Gyanendra began his direct rule by trying to shut people's mouths, I find it hard to believe he will be keen to give these rights back soon.

Also, since you so stronlgy feel he will restore free speech, I have to ask you this - will you fight him if he doesn't? What recourse will people who disagree with the King have in this new order? Guns? Street protest? Or silence - which I am sure His Majesty and his supporters will prefer :)

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"Honey, I hit you because I love you"
" People, I took away your rights only to safeguard them"

Orion,

Not necesasrily. Independent judicial, executive and legislative bodies and freedom are not necessarily the components of democarcy. Democracy in its pure form is electing your leaders. To check what your leaders do, to protect your rights (property and political) you need to supllement your democracy with the RULE OF LAW. The Rule of LAW is an IMPORTANT SUPPLEMENT but not a COMPONENT of democracy, and the recent examples have shown that the RULE OF LAW can be achieved without having a democractically elected governmnet.

The institutions of democracy are built by the regimes which may not bedemocratic.. and those are the regimes who make a successful transitions to democracy.


here's some books/articles.. If you are interested:

Brumberg, Daniel: Beyond Liberalization? Wilson Quarterly. Spring 2004.

Carothers, Thomas: Messy Democracy. Washington Post. April 8, 2003.

Chua, Amy: The World on Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability. London: Arrow (2003).

Gunson Phil: Venezuela : A latin Enigma. Newsweek. Aug. 16 2004.

Kaplan, Robert D.: Was Democracy Just a Moment. The Atlantic Monthly. December, 1997.

Warrior Politics: Why Leadership Demands a Pagan Ethos. USA: Vintage (2003).

McFaul, Michael A.: Shine the Light of Liberty in Russia as Well. Hoover Institution Weekly Essays. November 24, 2003.

Mahubani, Kishore : Can Asian Think? Understanding the Divide Between East and West. Vermont: Steerforth (2002).

Olcott, Martha B.: Kazakhstan 'Democracy' is Spelled 'Dynasty'. Newsday, July 14, 2002.

Ottaway, Marina: African Priorities, Democracy isn?t The Place to Start. International Herald Tribune. May 23, 2003.

Pei, Minxin: Is China Democratizing. Foreign Affairs. Jan/Feb, 1998.

Implementing the Institutions of Democracy. International journal on World Peace. December, 2002.

Weingast, Barry: The Political Foundations of Democracy and the Rule of Law. American Political Science Review. June `1997.

Yew, Lee K.: From Third World to First: The Singapore Story: 1965- 2000. Singapore: Times Media House (2000).

Zakaria, Fareed: The Rise of Illiberal Democracies. Foreign Affairs. November, 1997.

The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad. USA: W.W. Norton & Company (2003).

and Micheal Mandelbaum's The Ideas That Conquered the World (2003).

Not necesasrily. Independent judicial, executive and legislative bodies and freedom are not necessarily the components of democarcy. Democracy in its pure form is electing your leaders. To check what your leaders do, to protect your rights (property and political) you need to supllement your democracy with the RULE OF LAW. The Rule of LAW is an IMPORTANT SUPPLEMENT but not a COMPONENT of democracy, and the recent examples have shown that the RULE OF LAW can be achieved without having a democractically elected governmnet.

The institutions of democracy are built by the regimes which may not bedemocratic.. and those are the regimes who make a successful transitions to democracy.


here's some books/articles.. If you are interested:

Brumberg, Daniel: Beyond Liberalization? Wilson Quarterly. Spring 2004.

Carothers, Thomas: Messy Democracy. Washington Post. April 8, 2003.

Chua, Amy: The World on Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability. London: Arrow (2003).

Gunson Phil: Venezuela : A latin Enigma. Newsweek. Aug. 16 2004.

Kaplan, Robert D.: Was Democracy Just a Moment. The Atlantic Monthly. December, 1997.

Warrior Politics: Why Leadership Demands a Pagan Ethos. USA: Vintage (2003).

McFaul, Michael A.: Shine the Light of Liberty in Russia as Well. Hoover Institution Weekly Essays. November 24, 2003.

Mahubani, Kishore : Can Asian Think? Understanding the Divide Between East and West. Vermont: Steerforth (2002).

Olcott, Martha B.: Kazakhstan 'Democracy' is Spelled 'Dynasty'. Newsday, July 14, 2002.

Ottaway, Marina: African Priorities, Democracy isn?t The Place to Start. International Herald Tribune. May 23, 2003.

Pei, Minxin: Is China Democratizing. Foreign Affairs. Jan/Feb, 1998.

Implementing the Institutions of Democracy. International journal on World Peace. December, 2002.

Weingast, Barry: The Political Foundations of Democracy and the Rule of Law. American Political Science Review. June `1997.

Yew, Lee K.: From Third World to First: The Singapore Story: 1965- 2000. Singapore: Times Media House (2000).

Zakaria, Fareed: The Rise of Illiberal Democracies. Foreign Affairs. November, 1997.

The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad. USA: W.W. Norton & Company (2003).

and Micheal Mandelbaum's The Ideas That Conquered the World (2003).

Regarding Press freedom,

I think the censorship will be lifted ina week or two. Its not going to last more than that. IT will be like what it was before minus girija deuba ko kich-kich, and Ratnapark Sadak Nataks.

From the Rule of Law, Liberty to Democracy.. Way to go.. the best way to having a fully functioning liberal democracy. Hopefully in 10 years time, we will be having a real democracy. If not then khattam!

yeti bhandai, yo discusssion bata ni out ma to foucs more on The Global Issues thread.

himtel prayog garau ra nepal phone garau...

Sabai ley lekeko padna thalyo vaney din bitcha,,,

GP dogg,
I am not saying blind supporter, I am one of those people who think having a King is good for our country, at least that keeps it intact, and I think King G is the right person to bring peace and stability of the country. Yeah!! why shouldn't I support the King Of My Country, if you are pakka nepali, who hasn't been phased out by living abroad for many years, should realize how important it is right now to bring peace and stability in the country.
Let King G do his thing, just wait and watch and see what happens? We as a nepali have a tendecy to come to conclusion easily and start pointing fingers. The Neta's of nepal had their chance for 14 yrs, the coudn't do jack, instead they sent the country spiraling backwards with debth that is mountain high and the economic state of the country is worse than it was in the 80's during the Panchyat era, I still think Panchayat was the best thing for a country like nepal but it was a failed effort due to corruption of the Neta's again.
Don't just say what is worng and what is right? it all depends upon what spectrum you are looking at, and besides why cry over spilled milk, I think it is better the king has power than the Politicians who act like streetDogs fighting for the same bone over and over again. It had to stop and now it has stopped, Think this way, King G is more educated and sincere than Mr. G Koirala, who is uneducated and undeplomatic and idiotic sometimes, I hope he is sent to prision where he suits better. Look all I am saying is let the King do his thing He is the king, if he thinks and has realized that the country is in turmoil and he is the only one who can save the country from plumenting into a dark hole than I support him with my whole heart.
I might be out of the country but I have my bloods trying to save the country from maoist , they are not their giving empty lectures but spilling their bloods unlike you politicians who can only talk , they are all wussies, who can only cry. Tell you what how many of you are willing to go back and sacrifice your good living abroad if the country goes to civil war and save the country??? none of you, I bet most of you don't even have a single relative who serve in the army of police, I know most of you have relatives who are NETA's , is that why you all are crying how bad the move was????
The time has come for all you neta's and fake democratic supporters to run and hide. This time there will be no sadak natak from you. this time no julus for you and this time no innocent people dying on the streets for the likes of Girija and Madhav. It's high time we all nepali realize we should help the king restore peace and democracy in the country instead of listining to a few VADUWAS who can't stand to see peace in the country.!!!!


Hail to the King
Jai Desh Jai Naresh
Jai Neapl

.... Isolated Freak, your naivete amazes me as much as your hallow erudition.
Orion perfectly summed up your idea of democracy which King G seems to have favored in the quote : People, I took away your rights only to safeguard them.

mG.